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Centrists Now Using Votes To Push Their Own Agenda

Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:42 AM EDT
politics, news, opinion
By owlsview
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Another stop-gap, band-aid, stabilize the patient, election? I dunno if that is a good thing. I think now is the time for wholesale change. I believe we had better do something significant as a nation soon, else we run the risk of earning our worldwide reputation as uncaring and lazy. We also run the risk of igniting our youth who may be getting a little tired of waiting for us to get off our collective asses, do we want or need a London in our streets? Tesla 013

A response to my article on Wednesday. With the exception of the "I dunno if that is a good thing" part, one with which I find myself in total agreement with. He made one particular comment that caught my eye.


I think we as an electorate have a rare opportunity here,

Indeed we do. Just what do we do with this opportunity? Make wholesale changes? Exactly! Next question. How? Just vote them all out. Easy answer. Wrong answer.

We can change the face of the House every two years. The Presidency every four. It will take six more years to change the Senate.Even then we will only be changing faces.

The right answer is to change our mindset when we go to the polls. Time to put a new purpose for voting out there. We need to mount a campaign using our votes to push for the kind of changes that will make real changes in government. We need to instill in every individual who considers running for office the fact that he must set aside personal opinion and do as his constituency directs him.

Now that might sound a bit tricky, but as long as we have the fortitude to stick out for the next six years, we will show that it can be done.To begin this campaign we need a common issue that most of us can get behind in it's purpose. An excellent choice to begin with would be:

TERM LIMITS

Does anybody deny the fact that career professional politicians are a major part of the problem with our apparently dysfunctional government?  Besides getting rid of the ones that permeate the halls of Congress now, wouldn't it be a good time to prevent the same situation from developing again?

We make it a mandate that the House passes a term limit bill within two years or those that failed to campaign for or vote for it will be removed from office. Then we stick by our guns.

BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT

That one should be a no-brainer. One that includes a stipulation that no members of Congress goes home for Christmas without passing a balanced budget. No more kicking the dadburned can.

We mandate the Senate to accept the Term Limit proposal from the House and pass it as well as approving a Balanced Budget Amendment within two years. At which time we begin removing those who failed to vote for it. Once again we stick to our guns.

In six years we change the way things are done in Washington. Quite possibly, only in two. Very likely with a third more moderate party involved.

Have a little more from Mr. Tesla;

This time it really is a question of the "devil you know vs. the one you do not" Our current crop of miscreants obviously cannot multi-task but neither can they go one thing at a time.

Do we want a half hearted president?

We are looking  for that special person, the one who can lead with class, one that knows how to make different departments work together, will take more than just a passing glance at all of the various departments and agencies under his control.  One who  will conduct himself in a prideful manner . Possessing enough knowledge about all issues to be able  to----Stop right there. The only Mr. Perfect I ever met was a professional wrestler with a body odor problem.

We won't get a half-hearted President. Anybody who wants that office is going to want it for two terms and will work hard to prove worthy of them. The first thing we should look at is not the ideologue of a candidate but rather does he have the management skills to fulfill the basic duties of the office?  Then we should look at what are most immediate issues are and decide if he has enough expertise in these areas to be of immediate help. It is deceiving to think that we can solve all of our current problems in just a couple of years.

Use our votes to push an agenda that forces government to change it's ways and we can make the next six years six of the most important years in our countries history. Call it a Coup de Vote.

Do you have the will to change the way you approach the ballot box? Would you like to feel that your vote actually counted for something?

Join me. I don't care if Obama owns a patent, trademark, whatever, I still feel the same way as I did in 2008. "YES WE CAN!"

 

Here is some news I got off the AP a few minutes ago. Nancy Pelosi finished filling out the list of the super committee members, setting the stage for meetings to begin.

Opinion; Both sides have loaded up with powerful professionals that aren't known for wiggling much. Could work or could end up being a worse spectacle than the debt ceiling debates.

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owlsview

COH as usual. I do want to thank all of my readers for not allowing the COH to become a factor when you are here.

What other mandates would you like to see in future elections that would help make major changes in the way Washington works? Not from an ideological point of view, from a functional one.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:46 AM EDT
CaptainObviousSays

Both sides have loaded up with powerful professionals that aren't known for wiggling much.

across the board cuts are my preference anyways...

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:33 AM EDT
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cg68doc

The issues that you brought up are good issues. However, none of those issues will solve the most pressing of problems in the US. We can do the term limits and a balanced budget ammendment. Neither of those really addresses the level of spending that the federal government is engaged in. The federal budget has got to be reduced or we will go bankrupt. If that happens, what is going on in Britain will be small potatoes compared to what would happen here.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:59 AM EDT
owlsview

To solve our most pressing problems is going to take real work and action in Congress. We can all bear witness to the fact that the way things are being done in Washington we have not and are not going to reach anything more than stop gap solutions, no matter which party is in power.

Yes the Federal Budget does need to be reduced. A balanced budget mandate will go a long ways toward that goal. It is also why this time around we need to chose a President who has real experience at dealing with harsh financial situations.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
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Libertarian y2k

How about a foreign policy stance? I think there should be some general outline there too. One of the main reasons we are so far in debt is the decade long wars we are in. We won them (defeated the foriegn government and military) in less then a year. Since then we are playing chess and trying to macro manage foreign lands; a puppet master. How about agreeing to some principle concerning war and the purpose there of? How easy do we pull the trigger and how lofty are our goals? Afghanistan helped fold the USSR. We have a much more robust economy then they did but two 10 year wars, another "free the oppressed" action, untold billions (probably trillions) in waste, Iran and others on the horizon, etc... we obviously have a breaking point as well. How about a foreign policy doctrine that outlines the way we conduct ourselves? A general ideology? Business as usual doesn't seem to be cutting it. At this rate perhaps Bin Laden might have the last laugh from beyond. His goal was to collapse our economy. By throwing out money into the endless pit that is the middle east trying to change centuries of cultural and theological ideals what are we accomplishing? Did the terrorists lose the battle but are going to win the war with our help? Did they understand us better then we understand ourselves?

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:30 AM EDT
owlsview

Foreign policy is indeed in need of a facelift, actually an extreme makeover is more like it. It should definitely be a front-line topic. We can mandate that dollar cuts be made in this area. We can mandate that National Guard troops remain in the nation. But we can't expect to formulate a national ideology in just two years.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
Libertarian y2k

We could re-address the War Powers Act short term though. That would be a start. Further limit presidential powers to wage war without congressional support. Libya should have made it clear that we need to tighten the authority for just one person to bring down military might without just cause. We can debate the merits of Libya all we want but next time what country and why? This should have awoken us now to all possible dangers of letting one person decide war or not.

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
owlsview

Readdressing the War Powers Act is a good idea. One person should not have the authority to send our troops to fight somebody elses battle.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:04 PM EDT
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Luther28

I find little to disagree with in what you say. The difficulty lies with finding those with enough political will to begin to enact those changes and to be frank I do not find many of such a stripe in the current collection of fools that we call congress. The starting point (since they will not enact term limits on their own) is to vote out all incumbents during the next election cycle replacing them (if they can be found and are willing to run) individuals of reason, sound mind and unbeholding to special interests. Good luck with that.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:29 AM EDT
owlsview

Do you have the political will? Do you? How about you? Do you all care enough to walk the walk? We have to change our mindset. Instead of being cynical of each other we need to believe that there are enough who care enough to follow through.

There is only one special interest group that we want our representatives beholden to. The American voters.

When a newbie first goes to Washington special interest groups are quick to introduce themselves and provide a little taste of what could be available for them. Just a little taste, the big stuff doesn't come until they have been there for awhile and gained some influence and power. Term limits will prevent power blocks from forming thus greatly reducing the ability of lobbyists to buy legislation.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT
Luther28

Actually I walked the walk during the sixties and am quite capable and willing to do the same now (Perhaps I walk a tad slower today than then). I have always been and am able to see both sides of any debate extracting from both the best points and putting them to use and have served in local politics (hence perhaps the cynicism you may sense), unlike many I want do people of like mind to serve the electorate but those willing to work together for the betterment of all Americans. Which from what I can gather is what you seek.

    #4.2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
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    greg-709692

    super committee

    Bad, Bad, Bad Idea.

    Passing the buck so they can get on with business as usual. The recommendations, if there are any viable ones, is gonna be ignored anyway. Another waste of time and money.

    Any Politician or Politician wannabe, that proposes any kind of "Tough Love" policy, will be raked over the coals by the media and the opposition and labeled a hate monger, granny killing, child hater. We've seen it for years.

    A "Change" is needed. More a change in voter thinking than anything else. No more "Feel Good" policy politicians. Time to get someone in there that actually wants to run it like it should be.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#5 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:45 AM EDT
    AmericaRepublic

    We definiely need a firecracker that is for sure.....

    • 6 votes
    #5.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:56 AM EDT
    Luther28

    Absolutely, what we do not need is another committee. Take the Simpson/Bowles findings and tweak them where needed, then enact it, time is past for discussion it is time to act.

    • 4 votes
    #5.2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
    Therese Nelson

    I like the "cleaning out" of Congress...

    I think the "SuperCommittee" will be ignored + fail like the two previous Committees, a political side ways to deflect + make US think they are taking care of it.

    The other two committees were a joke, they were not used for any purpose, a waste of time, resources and a falacy for a political side step.

    We should take away power + cost of EPA.

    Sell the thousands of government lands to our citizens, especially in Alaska, it is just a drain.

    The oil stoppage in the Gulf should be opened and all our resources used.

    Dept of Agriculture streamlined.

    Dept of Education streamlined.

    I will have others...tee hee

    • 8 votes
    #5.3 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
    owlsview

    The list is probably endless, but it is a good list to pay attention to.

    • 4 votes
    #5.4 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:07 AM EDT
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    vol fan in chatt, tn

    Agreed, on all counts...I hear someone the other day say why are they hanging this super committee wrangling cuts and debt out over the busiest season of the year for retailers(recommendations right before Thanksgiving and a vote 2 days before Christmas)? It is almost as IF they wish to tinker with whatever positive numbers we might have in an otherwise gloomy forecast, at the most important time of the year. Are they THAT stupid, that out of touch with reality, or is this deliberate? Those are the only three choices. We saw what the debt discussion did to consumer confidence over the summer, imagine the drag it will have over Thanksgiving and Christmas? I hadn't thought of that until the guy mentioned it, but it is true...

    I agree with posters above - we spent God know how much money on on commission already. Let's tweak it and get on with it!

    • 7 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:33 AM EDT
    owlsview

    Tinkering with numbers is what they do best. They hope to be able to put on a show of robust action and deceive the public that the positives are even better than we thought at a time when most people are the most distracted with their families and businesses and paying less attention to government.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT
    merleliz

    Owls...Obama may think he has a patent...but Bob the Builder was using "Yes We Can" at least 11 years ago. "Can We Fix It...Yes We Can"

    (I bought a friend's child a Bob the Builder truck that talked...I heard that phrase so often while he was playing with it that I can still "hear" it years after the little truck's batteries gave out...or his parents quietly removed them while he slept, never was sure what happened there...but they threatened murder and mayhem if I bought him another one.)

    I have the will to vote people out, regardless of Party, if they are not doing the best thing for the economy. Term limits, definitely yes. Balanced Budget Amendment...waaaay past time. Get us out of the role of World Police Force, Amen Hallelujah, there...not only do we spend way too much money on military actions that have nothing to do with us, we spend way too much money "rebuilding" the countries after the fact. What exactly have the billions spent on Foreign Aid accomplished for the American taxpayer whose pockets were picked to provide them?

    Committee? Don't make me laugh...committees are NOTORIOUS for never being able to come to a decision. We are in for a media circus again with that one...it will drag on forever and accomplish nothing. Congress is famous for slamming shut the barn door after the horse has trotted across the fields into the woods and down the lane. This is just to give them time to spend more money before deciding we can't afford to spend it...and then asking for more money to cover that which they have already spent.

    The next "debt ceiling" debate ought to be a doozy.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT
    tesla013

    Hey buddy now you are talking. I would like to see an end to laws no one except a lawyer can understand or read. I would like to see plain english as the primary language of Washington. I would like to see regulatory agencies trimmed down to something resembling an agency. I would like to see regulation applied with some eye towards common sense. In fact I would love to see common sense become a prevailing factor in all governmental decisions. Term limits are grand, but lets not rob ourselves of good talent. We the people can enforce term limits by God. And we must get money and special interests out of the electoral process. Good article Owl. V^

    • 4 votes
    Reply#9 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:33 PM EDT
    Luther28

    An individual after my own heart. Like it or not, the fact that the Health Care bill was more than two thousand pages long and filled with gobbledygook speaks volumes to what you say.

    • 2 votes
    #9.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT
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    merleliz

    Owls...I think most of the Centrists know what they basically want, a government under control and far less costly than the current one for starters...but how do we get politicians who are willing to fight for a Centrist view?

    I don't want to vote for someone to get in there and balance the budget and cut government spending and then have them spend the next six months fighting over some social issue that I could really not care less about...or one who will flip flop the day he is elected.

    Remember Obama campaigning against Hilary about insurance mandates? That one really gripes my a$$...it is a perfect example of what I am talking about...how does one a) find a politician worth voting for and b) hold thier feet to the fire to make them stay the course once they are in office?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#10 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT
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