Wednesday Weirdness --- Drop Huntsman Like a Hot Rock and Give Perry A Way Out, Now!

And apparently you believe that anyone to the left of Mussolini is a flaming socialist. If so, you are part of the problem centrists and independents have with the GOP today.

merleliz

I like checks and balances...not totalitarianism, from either party.

You have my vote and I think that's what we all need to concentrate on more so than potus

I would prefer for the truly Conservative to be in control of the Congressional purse strings, but I am not in favor of either party having total control over the government.

IMO that is why getting tea party in there has been good, balance, but sometimes I do wish they would not be quite as rigid and a few of the fights they have chosen are not of my belief. Guess that's why I am a NPA because agree and disagree on points of all the parties.

owlsview Glad you have brought this topic up.

The majority of the damage done to our economy by the Liberals has not been done by the President himself,

I'll let you have that statement if you can tell me ONE THING the "conservatives" in congress have done to HELP the economy.

I like checks and balances...not totalitarianism, from either party.

What would you call threatening to filibuster EVERYTHING?

douglas, they have stemmed the bleeding of finances as much as they could for now. Since they have been in office they have passed several bills and a budget which is sitting in the Senate waiting on a vote...

1. Passed H. Res. 22, House Republicans cut the House budget by 5%, saving $35 million annually, can't say the same for the Dem controlled Senate, can you?

http://www.gop.gov/votes/112/1/8

2.Voted to reduce new spending by $2.6 trillion over ten years, and reduce the deficit by $700 billion with the passage of H.R. 2.

http://www.gop.gov/votes/112/1/14

3. Republicans have banned all earmarks (good thing, we can't have 18,000 earmarks in two bills anymore -Obama's first two bills and BOTH parties were complicit in it) costing taxpayers billions of dollars) reining in some of the reckless spending.

http://www.gop.gov/about/rules

4. Republican introduced a bill and passed H.R. 292, which the wasteful required printing of bills introduced in Congress, which will save over $30 million

http://www.gop.gov/votes/112/1/12

5. Introduced and passed H.R. 359 which ends taxpayer subsidizing presidential election campaigns and party conventions.

http://www.gop.gov/votes/112/1/25

6. Passed the Continuing Appropriations Act for 2011 was passed (Since nancy and the Dems didn't deem it important to pass a budget last fall). The result of this legislation was considered under an "open rule". This gave lawmakers on both sides the ability to offer spending-cut amendments (something, again Nancy P failed to allow). The end result eliminated over $100 billion in federal spending for the remainder of FY2011.

http://www.gop.gov/resources/library/documents/pledge/program-terminations-fy-2011.pdf

7. Passed H.Res. 38, in this piece of legislation, the current government spending will be rolled back to that of the levels of FY 2008 or before. This eliminates wasteful nondiscretionary spending saving 100 billion in this fiscal year alone.

http://www.gop.gov/votes/112/1/20

One of my favorites is that we the people can decide what gets cut with this initiative and votes are held weekly ...

http://www.majorityleader.gov/YouCut/

they are following through on their pledge.

douglas, they have stemmed the bleeding of finances as much as they could for now.

Are you kidding? For eight years, the Republicans caused more bleeding than Sweeney Todd.

Not as much as Obama. Bush dwarfs Obama and the Dems big spending.

National debt has increased $4 trillion under Obama - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress

Yes, things that are ignored for a long time often are more expensive to fix than things that have been taken care of.

The economy under Bush was like a car that never got its oil changed and its filter replaced.

The blame game is old b.s.,

Only to those who are to blame.

I'll let you have that statement if you can tell me ONE THING the "conservatives" in congress have done to HELP the economy.

And how long has it been since Conservatives have had control of Congress? But I think Vol Fan already did...not much, I agree, but better than we were doing under Ms. No New Deficit Spending Pelosi, under whose watch the Federal Debt grew $5 trillion dollars.

What would you call threatening to filibuster EVERYTHING?

A check...on the unlimited power that Democrats had in government.

Only to those who are to blame.

Ah, yes.

"The man who can smile when things go wrong,

has thought of someone to blame it on."

Doesn't do jack about fixing the problem, though., as Owls has already pointed out to you.

At this point, assigning blame is like asking who was driving when the car crashed. Sure, it doesn't fix the car. But if they are not willing to take responsibility, you don't go and let them keep driving.

Republicans got us here. We shouldn't let them keep driving. Not unless they are willing to take responsibility AND offer a credible plan for fixing the damage. So far, I have not heard one from them. Y'all are saying "Oh, but Romney has business experience." So? What's his plan? Oh, more of the same? Thanks but no thanks.

Isn't Romney's "business experience" on the order of overseeing the purchase of companies then laying off many?

Not exactly a good thing.

Nope,his experience is in taking companies in trouble and making them viable commodities again.

Right. So they can be sold. He's more Gordon Gekko than he is the savior of companies.

Can you imagine where Apple would be if Romney had been brought in to save it instead of Steve Jobs?

Eliminate a third of the bureaucrats in government and the government would quickly learn to operate much more efficiently.

And unemployment would skyrocket. Not only would those "bureaucrats" be out of a job, but the places they spend money would then hurt, and then their suppliers and so on and so on. Not really fiscally astute of you, is it?

Not to mention, what of the disruption? Let's make all the cuts near you, in places you might need. You won't mind the inconveniences, right?

Those who feast on the tit of entitlements

Funny how you never seem to include corporations or the wealthy in this bit of rant. But I guess you wouldn't, that isn't in the TEA talking points.

I think that when the list of government cuts is finally presented, the Executive should make sure the brunt of them fall upon districts that elected Tea Party representatives. After all, these very voters have said that cutting Federal spending should be the number one priority, so they will have no objections to seeing their policy carried out to its fullest extent in their communities.

Or are they just raging hypocrites and their only real problem is that Obama won the election?

Republicans got us here

Are you trying to say that Nancy Pelosi is a Republican?

The National Debt stood at 8.67 trillion dollars when Ms. No New Deficit Spending Pelosi took office. It was at 14 trillion plus when she was removed as Speaker of the House.

You want to rethink that "Republicans got us here" remark? You DO realize that all spending bills originate and must pass in the House of Representatives, and that the current massive increase in our debt occured on Pelosi's watch?

I'm not saying that Republicans were not responsible for spending like drunken sailors also...but Nancy Pelosi did more than her share of it.

Annual federal expenditures have increased by about $730 billion in the Pelosi era, while annual deficits have increased almost 8 fold. In fiscal 2007, when Pelosi became speaker, the federal government spent $2.73 trillion and ran an annual deficit of $162.8 billion, according to the Treasury Department. In fiscal 2009, the federal government spent $3.52 trillion and ran an annual deficit of $1.4157 trillion. In fiscal 2010, the federal government spent $3.46 trillion and ran an annual deficit of $1.2941 trillion.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/debt-has-increased-5-trillion-speaker-pe

But she was also open to the idea of raising taxes, but didn't have the votes to do so. Largely because no Republican would vote for a tax increase, even to pay for the wars they cheerleaded so vociferously. That is financial stupidity that no other Congress has committed.

But then, if they said that we would actually have to personally sacrifice to support our troops, and not just put a yellow ribbon decal (Made in China) on our SUV and play bad Lee Greenwood songs on the stereo, we probably wouldn't have gone into Iraq, so instead they weaseled and lied to get the war they desperately wanted.

There might be some Blue Dogs winning as well. In this new day of new found public education in the runaway debt and government spending I wouldn't doubt many democrats will run as conservative ones just to have a chance to defeat their GOP opponents. I am hoping for a lot of "win - win" choices fiscally in 2012.

Jake, did you even read the article? Evidently not...

yes I read the article.

While Perry may win the nomination, but I doubt he can pull enough votes from the center standing only on a Christian Tea Party agenda. Huntsman on the otherhand may not be radical enough (and possibly to "Mormon" to win the nomination. However Huntsman, in a general election certainly would have more gravity; hence the Republican dilemma. As a lefty I would think that Perry or Bachmann would be a welcome opponent for the President. Huntsman would be a scary opponent. Heck if he keeps talking like he did Sunday and tossed in a couple more cookies and the President really dropped a turd I might vote for him. I don't care what turd the President drops I would never vote for Bachmann, Perry Santorum et al; Tea Party influenced candidates.

I'm really getting tired of the rhetoric coming out of politicians. Same Ol' "What we want to here" but no solutions.

That "No new taxes" thing has gotten Old.

Let President Obama stay in office and change the rest. He will then have to "Finally" be personally held responsible for what he does, everytime he has to take that pen in hand. How many "Veto's" is he willing to do?

FIX THE DAMN EXPENSES AND REDICULES PROGRAMS FIRST, PLEASE!

Politically correct has broke the Bank.

Politically correct has broke the Bank.

That really does need to go and face up to reality. This obsession of being politically correct is just a way of shoving things under the rug so we don't have to deal or fix anything.

I kinda blame myself too. "Oh, that sounded good, voted up"!

No more for me !!!!!!

I dunno Greg, I think the country is sick of Obama and his elitism...I see what you are saying but can the country be better off under Obama for 4 more years? I honestly don't think so. Look at Holder and what he is doing, the Immigration issue, net neutrality (ie controlling the airwaves), his contempt for business and the people who mare the backbone of this country, his demonization of those he perceives are his enemies (and that would be anybody who doesn't agree with him and his policies)...seriously, the guy has got to go before he ruins the country.

I don't know who the Pub candidiate will be (though I could live with Perry -Obama and his minions are doing their best at character assasination with him and yes, he has done and said some dumb things, but he has done a good job in TX despite the economy and he doesn't seem to want to create a "theocracy" that so many libs are so worried about. Then again, he is a Christians so they will assume that s his intention. If he can stay away from the social issues and focus on fiscal responsibility, I think he can be good and people of all persuasions can vote for him), but frankly, Elmer Fudd looks good compared to Obama....

Its Wierd Wednesday.....Ummm..... Thursday Vol.. :D

I do not want Mr. Obama, but some of the things coming out of the republican candidates mouths makes me scratch my head at times. At least with a conservative congress, they can Lock Mr. Obama down.

I know who I'd like, but they aren't running.

I find myself longing for Perot Greg( I keep wanting to call you gerg for some reason today) how sad is that?

And the ONLY one who ever really understood that the vast majority of Americans are too uninformed to make a decision WITHOUT GRAPHS AND CHARTS. The media hated him because he PROVED he was right by giving us the numbers.

Oh, what I wouldn't give for Ross right now! Can you imagine a Ron Paul/Ross Perot ticket?

Well, I voted for him!

Amazing man...I agree, I would love to see someone of his caliber of intelligence and common sense on the ballot.

BITE YOUR TONGUE, Owl! I am a CENTRIST libertarian. Far right, my ass! And don't knock wrinkles, my friend. You'll have them some day, too!