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Wednesday Weirdness --- Obama Wants Violence, He Needs It To Remain In Office, Impossible Theory?

Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:53 AM EDT

politics, opinion, theory, sarcasm, brevity

By owlsview

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http://news.yahoo.com/polls-show-obama-down-ahead-economic-speech-123659243.html

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ratings-sink-lows-040500121.html

http://news.yahoo.com/hoffa-corporate-funded-conservative-politicians-destroy-middle-class-192011145.html

http://news.yahoo.com/gunfire-erupts-sudan-border-city-residents-return-212403512.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44405013/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/#.TmbgMGqd3Ss

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=14454199

All of these news links actually fit into what may be termed a conspiracy, some of you may even think that I am a want to be screenwriter laying out the plot for a "B" movie. Before we get into all of that though, let us be totally honest, liberals, moderates and conservatives all, OBAMA is finished. You know it, I know it and he knows it. This topic is not a left versus right issue, how the right and left are and will be used against each other is more accurate.

So just what has got my feathers all a fluster anyway? What dirty dark trick is Obama playing now? Well, I'll tell you:

HE PLANS TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW, SUSPEND THE ELECTIONS DUE TO MASS CIVIL UNREST, EXTEND HIS PRESIDENCY AND BLAME BUSH FOR HAVING TO DO IT!

LMAO! Why am I laughing? I'm the one going down this path of speculation and whether you are religious or not, somebody has to help us if I am even close to being right.

It isn't just me , I have seen several comments referring to President Obama's demeanor as being as though he has no worries at all about being removed as President when for all intents and purposes it is a done deal. Either he is totally naive or he knows something we don't.

Take a good look at how things are being done in the world right now. Uprisings by the dozen, riots and overthrows by the "people", civil violence is replacing territorial wars. Take a good look at the U.S. now. Just how many hot-button triggers are armed and ready to explode? What could be the possible result if we had riots in the streets all across the country in the fall of 2012? Could it become possible that President Obama, possibly with the co-operation of Congress would be able justify declaring Martial Law? Suspend the elections? Remember Congress has some rather poor numbers itself and many entrenched politicians could well find themselves put out to pasture.

Would Republican leadership put up with a Tea-publican President? We already know the Democrats don't want to.

Don't even waste my time arguing about the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, the law. President Obama has already shown disdain for such encumbrances on his Presidency, just look at his actions on Immigration. There is a hot button issue that could trigger riots on a national level right there. Not just riots between legals and illegals but racial riots. One of the worst possible could be Black Americans and Hispanics. Much use and abuse is being made of the efforts of Black Americans by the supporters of Obama's policies. Many a Black American is being squeezed out of work. Not by white bigots but by cheap labor that has no business being here in the first place.

Muslims --- Another hot button on a nationwide basis. Most American Muslims are just plain old Americans. Every encounter between a Muslim and a non-Muslim is played up as being another major clash of religions. Just how much fear must be created and paranoia spread around before something as simple as a traffic stop triggers a full scale religious riot. A couple of well-staged events and it's over the top we go.

Unions, the left-wing musclemen of the liberal movement. Already Hoffa Jr. is out there appealing to the foundations of the union, bringing back memories of the violent clashes that enabled their existence. His pretense of meaning at the ballot box is as big of a lie as the idea of Obama not knowing when the Republican debate was scheduled.

Why would Obama try something like this? Who would back him? My answer to both of those questions is a simple I don't know. He isn't really a Democrat, he isn't a Republican. To many hardcore socialistic ideals to be a centrist. Could he be an anamoly? A political mutation perhaps. Remember the "Mule" from the Foundation Series? No giggling. Since this is written as being at least partially as being theoretical and sarcastic, I can quote from fiction if I like. Besides it's Asimov, a true academic.

So has my mind simply wandered down the wrong fractal line? Or have the manipulations of the Seldonists created a loose thread that could well weave itself between our links creating a snarl the likes of which no ocean barge fisherman has ever beheld?

Possible? No drinking aloud before answering that.

You may snicker now. At your own risk.

Hoot!Hoot!

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Public Discussion (129)

owlsview

COH ---Come on Cornhuskers

8 votes

#1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:58 AM EDT

G. H.

I would say YES! Both impossible AND ridiculous! Almost sounds as if Gleefully trying to cause Sedition in the largest population possible is an acceptable stand. Total fallacy.

9 votes

#1.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 4:10 AM EDT

I.M.Curious

since the Cornhuskers left the Big 12,we consider them the American Taliban

3 votes

#1.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:16 AM EDT

lib50

You been hanging around bat@!$%# crazy Bachmann lately?

#1.3 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 8:48 PM EDT

ScienceGuy-356641

Stock in Reynold's aluminum just shot up.

19 votes

#2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:09 AM EDT

owlsview

Means there will be plenty of headgear to go around. Good one Science Guy. I was just about to sign off, now I can do so with a smile.

One of the things I like to do is go places in public (the Vine) where most people are to afraid of being embarrassed to go anywhere with but in their imaginations. They don't mind talking about it as long as somebody else goes first.

I'm willing to bet that if you were of a mind to, that you are sharp enough to be able to make arguments on both sides of this theory. Can you tell yourself that it is truly out of the realm of possibility? Such a thing could never happen? Human beings have done some really strange things to each other socially, gives just enough credibility to provide the possibility of the possibility.

By the way, I am an Alcoa Guy myself, never was much good on keeping up with fashion.

Have a pleasant evening.

9 votes

#2.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:32 AM EDT

theralinc

Owls view, I think you are right. There could be a conspiracy that ends up with at least army oversight of the 2012 election. I don't believe hoffa's and biden's remarks are 'accidental'. Nothing in the the dem party is done w/o His Feebleness's approval. "They" are promoting civil unrest, which makes His Oneness the most hateful, despicable piece of human offal to ever be president.

9 votes

#3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:27 AM EDT

owlsview

Other than perhaps upper leadership I see Democrats more as being used to achieve rather than being a part of whatever Obama may plan on doing.

By the way, over the last few months I have said some pretty colorful things about Obama. Has started to bother me a bit. Call it childish, but I have a kind of special respect for the Office of the President. I am only criticizing the man, but at the moment the man is the Office. Everytime I read negatively descriptive adjectives about Obama. I get riled up, even if I agree with them or have said the same things myself.

I think a lot of people may have this reflex, could be why we get riled so quickly sometimes.Not a COH violation, politicians are fair game. Just part of my quirky thinking.

8 votes

#3.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:42 AM EDT

Spikegary

I've found for the purposes of intelligent debate, that I call the President President Obama, regardless of how I feel about the man himself. I also use titles for all politicians, Congressman, Senator, Governor, etc. To me it makes for a more thoughtful debate instead of going the child route and calling people cute names.

Generally, when I see someone go that direction, I stop reading their comment, mark it as 'No Value' and move on. Same with people that say things like Faux News.....seems a lack of ability to express themselves intelligently, so they do the easy route with silly little names.

8 votes

#3.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:09 AM EDT

Coral Atlas

This conversation is taking on the characteristics of the story of "chicken little"

10 votes

#3.3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:47 AM EDT

owlsview

Just remember like in the story of the boy called wolf. That the wolf did show up.

8 votes

#3.4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:53 AM EDT

Coral Atlas

And the sky fell on his head?

8 votes

#3.5 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:57 AM EDT

Spikegary

Wow, Coral, you don't even know your fables from childhood. Based on your comments, I didn't think you were all that far removed from those times.

5 votes

#3.6 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT

vol fan in chatt, tn

I have noticed a pattern...look at what Hugo Chavez does and then watch Obama. They are not that far apart in how they deal with the nationalizing and overtaking of industry, and including the aire waves which Obama has already said he agrees with for "emergency" purposes. He is enacting or attempting to behind the scenes gun legislation (that was the reason for the F&F debacle which totally backfired, btw)...you add all of this together, and it makes sense. He doesn't consider himself the Prez; but rather, a king, and he won't give up his seat lightly. He may not, but I surely wouldn't put it past him...

Many others I have talked with also seem to have the same feeling, so it is weird (Wed. Weirdness) you wrote this.... You may be right, and I, myself, have thought this for sometime. Let's hope we are wrong.

Good seed, owls.

15 votes

#4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:35 AM EDT

Rob-LVNevada

You may be right, and I, myself, have thought this for sometime. Let's hope we are wrong.

+1, all counts. The ability of the current administration to ignore the Constitution when it suits them remains downright frightening.

5 votes

#4.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 7:09 PM EDT

owlsview

Hello Rob , that attitude coming from a Constitutional scholar, shared by Homeland Security's Napalitano and Holder at the DOJ is a major factor in opening up the line of thought that this article represents. For me anyway.

5 votes

#4.2 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:12 AM EDT

Marshall James

great article....thank owl

voted up.

4 votes

#4.3 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 6:53 PM EDT

lifeisgood43

So Pres Obama wants violence to remain in office ??? I hope this is a freaking joke because you know damn well, Pres Obama doesn't want anyone getting hurt. Oh, he does want people to get to the voting booth and vote for him.

14 votes

#5 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:58 AM EDT

owlsview

Come on Lifeisgood. Read the tags. Read the article. I guess you don't visit here often.

Do I think that as a man he wants to see anybody get hurt? No, I don't, but I do see him as somebody who could detach himself from the blame for what may happen to those that resist him. This theory, and that is all that it is, would be just as applicable if it were a Republican President we were having these problems with.

15 votes

#5.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:10 AM EDT

lifeisgood43

Wow. I did read the article. All of it. Yet here you are stating that you believe what you wrote so it isn't a joke

So how did you come to that conclusion. What brain cell did you use ole mighty one Tell us what insight do you have. Oh it is just your theory.

10 votes

#5.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:28 AM EDT

Coral Atlas

All I have to say is:

"let's take the sons-of-bitches-out!"

just vote

8 votes

#5.3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:48 AM EDT

owlsview

Coral that is probably one of the most intelligent comments that will be made here today.

Lifeisgood lighten up will you? I don't have insight I stole a crystal ball from the circus

6 votes

#5.4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:58 AM EDT

vol fan in chatt, tn

Yeah, Coral and and Obama is "proud" of him...pretty much tells me everything I need to know about Hoffa... and Obama (like I needed anything else to tell me what he is).

5 votes

#5.5 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:27 PM EDT

owlsview

Good evening, or perhaps I should say good morning vol fan. If we are even close to being right, then we are cursed with the foresight of the devil. If that is what the future holds, becoming a part of history just might become more appealing to some old folks.

You alluded to his behind the scenes attempt at subverting our gun control laws. Why? When you get right down to it, personal gun ownership has not really been a major problem other than in the hands of criminals. Is it his desire to dis-arm us? Turn us into another Germany where even gun replicas have to be inspected and certified as non working before they can be displayed ?

Guess that would make it easier for "his" troops(whoever they may be) to quell and control public riots.

Goodness sakes, you just made me make this scenario even worse. Changing the way things are done in Washington and the way money is spent by different departments could be very upsetting to the upper echelon of the Pentagon. The halting of military spending which seems to know no bounds yet isn't enough to provide our soldiers with proper equipment and protection when we send them into the field of battle, not to mention the audits it would take to make the right cuts could scare them into a "Seven Days In May" scenario. Could the military itself be in on it?

Not the majority of the military by any means, just a few specially formed regiments could do the job. Seems like the bulk of our military and our National guard has been spread out around the globe.

Hang on folks this is getting better already.

11 votes

#6 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:02 AM EDT

molemanisalive

If Obama were to declare martial law, he would be using the army as a national police force. It is the only way to enact martial law. So, yes, the military would be in on it. However, with private citizens owning guns, and the federal government in the dark on the numbers about gun ownership (guns are registered with states, not the federal government), Obama would have to find a way to outlaw gun ownership before enacting martial law, otherwise he'd be signing his own death certificate. I seriously doubt he is that stupid.

Interesting article. Well written too. But I think there is something else you're forgetting to consider, and that is the Electoral College who can elect the president that they want to put in, even if it goes against the popular vote. Maybe Obama has already "bought" his re-election?

4 votes

#6.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:54 AM EDT

owlsview

I would prefer that as to violence, except that would trigger massive violence, not theory, damn near certainty. By the way Obama is already trying to work on the gun control thing.

6 votes

#6.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:00 AM EDT

molemanisalive

Are you referring to the Small Arms Treaty (UN) or is there a bill in either the House or Senate that I could look up?

3 votes

#6.3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT

owlsview

The small arms treaty is of some concern and interest.I don't have any links handybut he is also working on some new gun control legislation.Still in the drawing stages, hasn't been presented as a bill yet.

5 votes

#6.4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 12:32 PM EDT

molemanisalive

Hi Owls,

Here is a link to a politico article written by Chuck Norris. Thought you might like.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=3CDB12D5-01FA-4CF5-9EC3-AC798E69E700

3 votes

#6.5 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT

molemanisalive

Here is a Huffpost article about how the President might use executive order to push through some more gun controls:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html

3 votes

#6.6 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

molemanisalive

Here are some interesting facts about Obama's record on gun legislation:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

4 votes

#6.7 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

Rob-LVNevada

Maybe this is another part of why everyone's coming home from Iraq so sooooon?

4 votes

#6.8 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 7:11 PM EDT

owlsview

Thanks for the support you guys. I got caught unprepared on that one. I don't think so. These kids (I say that respectfully) coming home right now have witnessed a lot of the worst that life has to offer, I believe them to be educated enough to now want to see their homeland go through what they have witnessed.

If this improbable scenario were to come to fruition,and they had to fight, I don't believe they would support the politicians.

5 votes

#6.9 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:26 AM EDT

owlsview

Error--should read "educated enough to "not" want to see their homeland "

4 votes

#6.10 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 11:17 AM EDT

owlsview

Okay, it is actually Wednesday where I am now and I am headed for some sack time.

Think seriously, but remember this is all pure speculation with no written or factual confirmation available. Just remember that old Boy Scout motto "Be Prepared".

Hoot Hoot!

10 votes

#7 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:20 AM EDT

Buzz of the Orient

It's never surprised me when a threat of attack, war or extreme violence before an election would favour an incumbent or hawk.

6 votes

#8 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:34 AM EDT

gg-1680962Deleted

Vehement+1

Can I say " I told You So ! " .

Of course, there will be many here that will say the usual or I haven't a magic ball or whatever else, but that's cool !

Without any Hard Facts, it's going to be very hard in backing up anyone's views,thoughts or opinions regarding anything, so let's just be honest here shall we.

Many of us, have experienced situations or have become aware of things that we come across in our lives that determines our views of present day issues, all of us view situations that others make decisions that we think are better then those that were made by others.

If I were to view the current situation from a Religious standpoint, it would be as Obama as Satan or the Anti-Christ !

In another view, I could say the man is a Traitor to and of America !

Regardless of my views of Obama, 1 thing is certain, the path where he's taking American is dimming very fast !

8 votes

#10 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:49 AM EDT

owlsview

I would say that was well said.

6 votes

#10.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:04 AM EDT

a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted

Vehement+1

Did I ruffle some feathers among you's ? LMAO :)

2 votes

#12 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 6:51 AM EDT

lib50

Yawn. No

1 vote

#12.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:31 PM EDT

I.M.Curious

Google Saul Alinsky and his book,"Rules For Radicals".Both Obama and Hillary Clinton consider Alinsky one of the leading figures in developing their own personal political philosophies.One fact,Clinton did her college thesis on Alinsky and had it made "unavailable" for the 8 years she was first lady and until after she was elected to the US Senate.

4 votes

#13 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:19 AM EDT

greg-709692

Could he be an anamoly? A political mutation perhaps.

I'd say he was a go gitter!

Gotta git "me" some of this, gotta git "me" some of that, gotta git "me" some of those.

That should git the history books talking about "me". :)

Antagonist in Chief !! Gits things going then tells on you !! :/

6 votes

#14 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:33 AM EDT

Village Idiot-2299796

Ultimately, All Rulers Rule By The Threat And Use Of Force ...

Don't they. Now go home. Return when you're old enough to be on the playground without your parents.

7 votes

#15 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:45 AM EDT

greg-709692

Nothing like hearing from the "Swing Set Hog".

Morning Mr. Village. :D

7 votes

#15.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:03 AM EDT

owlsview

I have come to the conclusion that you to enjoy bantering at each other. Now that's cool as far as I am concerned. Just keep it lightweight please. Others may see it as a COH battle.

7 votes

#15.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT

greg-709692

Always Light Owl.

Mr. Socialist and this Mr. Conservative are always cordial to each other. :)

We have a great "Understanding".

6 votes

#15.3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT

Village Idiot-2299796

Greetings, Your Gregness!

Always good to hear from you!

Blessings!

5 votes

#15.4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT

greg-709692

Same here Village, or Mr. ........ LOL!

Can't say your name or I'll get suspended. :)

Blessings to you and yours too !!

You forgot the ring, THE RING ......

6 votes

#15.5 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:53 AM EDT

Village Idiot-2299796

Kiss ... Kiss ... Kiss ... Kiss ... Kiss ... Kiss The Ring ...

Can't say your name or I'll get suspended. :)

You don't need to, your Gregness ... I took this name so you wouldn't have to ... er ... I mean, so that you wouldn't have to SAY my name ;) LOL!

Blessings and have a royal great day tomorrow!

Now I lay me down to sleep ... snnfffxxz ... snnfffxxz ... snnfffxxxz

4 votes

#15.6 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:07 PM EDT

Boudicea

Well, Owl, here's the thing. Obama has ties with both the Trilateral Commission AND the Bilderberg Group (the latter actually chose him for the nomination over Hillary). Both organizations have long supported the New World Order - which entails bringing down the government of America.

Do I think your conspiracy theory is absurd? Nope. I think it is SPOT ON. The plan is and always was exactly what you suggested. Martial law, suspend elections, oust the Congress and set up an entire new government - the New World Order.

Funny that you posted this today - I was just considering the possibilities last night as I thought about Hoffa and his Labor Day call for violence.

7 votes

#16 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:49 AM EDT

Coral Atlas

All I have to say is:

"let's take the sons-of-bitches-out!"

just vote

ps: Marx's prediction on capitalism's demise is coming to pass

5 votes

#16.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

Boudicea

So you ARE in favor of another Civil War? I got news for you, Coral, the NWO is NOT opposed to capitalism - the NWO will be RUN by the richest capitalists in the world. Marx was not right at all. Marx may have favored a violent overthrow of government, but in this case, the government which will PREVAIL instead of the government we have now is NOTHING like your Marxist Utopia.

10 votes

#16.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 9:58 AM EDT

greg-709692

Kinda lets you know the attention span of a Progressive. "Violent rhetoric, what violent rhetoric" ? "Release the destruction hounds" , AGAIN !!!

8 votes

#16.3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:08 AM EDT

Chris-382117

Coral Atlas,

"let's take the sons-of-bitches-out!"

You evidently have never seen what that entails. Anyone that speaks like you, with such a cavilier disregard for what civil war (or war for that matter) really is, has never seen it up close, personal, and in your face. I served with the 3rd Marines in Quang Tri and Thua Thien Provinces of Vietnam and I HAVE looked into the eyes of that monster before; it really isn't a pretty thing. its been almost 45 years and I still haven't forgotten. You might want to rethink what is involved. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it and I can guarantee you won't like what is in that box when you open it.

6 votes

#16.4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT

owlsview

Chris I don't read Coral's actions as being in favor of civil war. A little fun is being had that's all. And I do believe that he is making fun of the fact that so many jumped to the conclusion that Hoffa meant anything but the ballot box.

Your memories are justifiably dark, I know. Don't let them dim the rest of your life.

6 votes

#16.5 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:19 AM EDT

Don Overton

Obama has ties with both the Trilateral Commission AND the Bilderberg Grou

And you can prove this, how?

3 votes

#16.6 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:58 AM EDT

Chris-382117

owlsview

Possibly you are right, but I have seen so many articles and remarks here of late that are filled with nothing but vile and bile for anyone other than a card carrying ultra-liberal. Just look at some of the headlines here or better yet some of the comments about the "Teabaggers", "RepubliCONs", "ReThugs", etc., regarding anyone that thinks there is any merit to only some of the Tea Party ideas to see where this is going. I have almost quit coming to newsvine because I am just tired of the vile being thrown.

On January 12th in Tuscon, President Obama, said:

But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized - at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do - it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.

I don't see that happening. Just look at GreyRay's article last month where the cartoon at top is of two thugs beating the Monopoly Man to death with his cane and the article is about violent revolution and a call for the guillotine for the "Rich". "Take the Sons-of-bitches out" sure rings that way too (at least in the mind of an old Marine). He may have "meant" the ballot box, but there are those like the nutcase in Tucson or people like Terry Robins or Diane Oughtun that believe their way is the only way and violence is an acceptable answer to any problem.

It worries me because we have forgotten how to compromise. Shelby Foote, the civil war historian, once said that:

"The thing that Americans do best is Compromise. The Civil War was caused because we forgot how to do do it."

Sorry if it sounds dark, but it sure looks like we are headed that way from my seat.

7 votes

#16.7 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:05 AM EDT

Boudicea

Why would I bother? You make up your own facts anyway.

9 votes

#16.8 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:05 AM EDT

owlsview

In the world of politics more often than not facts are just lies waiting o be discovered.

5 votes

#16.9 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 12:46 PM EDT

vol fan in chatt, tn

good reply, kjm...why waste the time...

5 votes

#16.10 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:45 PM EDT

Spikegary

The funny thing, kjmgirl, is he thought the Bilderberg Group wanted him, it was actually the Buildabear group.

7 votes

#16.11 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 3:00 PM EDT

vol fan in chatt, tn

LOL, buildabear....

4 votes

#16.12 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 5:28 PM EDT

Spikegary

:-), Vol. :-)

3 votes

#16.13 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 8:58 PM EDT

Village Idiot-2299796

Maybe Marx Was Wrong About Communism ...

But right about capitalism ...

1 vote

#16.14 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:10 AM EDT

Village Idiot-2299796

Dear KJMGirl:

So you ARE in favor of another Civil War?

I've maintained for years that plenty of secessionists, paramilitary groups and old boy Southerners have been seething in rebellious malcontent for ages. Plenty of good Southerners have NEVER forgiven Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression. Years ago, I knew of a Southern Presbyterian preacher who carried two lead balls in his vest pocket at all times -- shot at his ancestors.

Civil war has been brewing for generations. All one need do to see it is to say ...

states rights ...

#16.15 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT

Boudicea

If it was really about "states rights" I may understand the concept. BUT if it ever comes to that in America, God Forbid, I think it will be much more LIKE the Marxist rebellion - rich against poor - haves against the have nots. Obama & Co. are drawing a line in the sand - that much was made clear last night with his jobs plan. Who are getting the jobs? Construction workers & teachers - UNIONS who pay him big bucks in campaign contributions. Oh yeah, it's gonna happen and it's going to be started by Unions under the guise of protecting the "Poor".

3 votes

#16.16 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 8:56 AM EDT

tesla013

Hey Village,

Love the blanket stereotype. Thought you libs did not practice such things.

Sincerely,

A Southerner Born and Bred.

3 votes

#16.17 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT

Luther28

It did not start out this way, but this has turned it into a rather weird Wednesday indeed. Not a chance of this happening in my or your lifetimes.

4 votes

#17 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT

owlsview

I hope not, but neither do I believe in absolutes.

9 votes

#17.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT

samenslow

This is a totally false "What if?" article or "Could it be?" article. I assume its purpose is not for real discussion but rather to plant seeds of the idea in the public's mind. I know of no president who wanted violence to gain office though some benefited from it, like Nixon and his "Silent Majority". Most past presidents decry the attention they had to pay tp various areas of strife because it kept them from focusing on those things they wanted to do.

1 vote

#18 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:06 AM EDT

Richard-3862103

what has got my feathers all a fluster anyway?

You are a little owlish, Oh Feathered One, just one problem. How do you credibly sell the President as a violent man, at the head of a violent movement? And how do you expect this approach to appeal to moderate Independent voters? Or, have you already thrown in the towel for 2012? Because you are not going to find the votes you need appealing merely to an audience that buys this.

Are you blaming the President for what Teamsters President, Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. said at a labor day rally before a labor audience and their families? I suppose the very hypocrites that brought us the “birthers” are expecting the same President they loathe, despise, and disparage to apologize for them? Apologize for what the union boss said at a union rally?

If this is ruffling your feathers, then you need a new venue because you are not cut out for it. More of the same paranoia and rightwing apocalyptic conjuring that you are not even good at. If this is the best you’ve got, then I can tell you who is in the stinker Tea Party, and it is not the President. The question is how much further can you reach before you finally find the bottom?

3 votes

#19 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM EDT

owlsview

My oh my aren't you two full of vinegar this morning.

I am a total nut job and you guys are Obama supporters, some people would consider us as equals.

5 votes

#19.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 12:52 PM EDT

samenslow

I am now an Obama supporter. I was not in the beginning. The people who would consider a supporter of President Obama as crazy as someone attempting to plant seed of fear are probably Tea Baggers. They love fear.

I had no use for either Bush, but I also spoke out against those who claimed they were heartess killers or those who cried, "Hey! Hey LBJ How many kids you kill today." There are enough serious matters that need consideration in this country without people adding imaginary things that go bump in the night.

It is a rough job serving as President of The United States. Idiots do not get the job. The man and the office deserve our respect and when possible our support. Disagree all you want. That is your right and your job, but to put down a president for fun is both stupid and not in the best interests of this country. Sometimes it should be our duty to try to elevate the nature of the political discussion.

5 votes

#19.2 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:05 PM EDT

owlsview

We are not putting down this President because we enjoy it. He has earned our dis-respect. I am sorry that he has earned yours, makes us very different. That's the way it is and should be in America.

Anybody who does not consider all possibilities no matter how unlikely should ever consider themselves safe or secure.

6 votes

#19.3 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:56 PM EDT

merleliz

There are enough serious matters that need consideration in this country without people adding imaginary things that go bump in the night.

Agreed, Samenslow...but today's science fiction can be tomorrow's reality.

Neville Chamberlain couldn't believe Hitler would invade Poland, either...and accused everyone who felt differently of fear mongering. We all know how well that worked out for him, poor man, he truly wanted peace...and got war.

And before anyone gets their panties in a twist, I am NOT comparing President Obama to Adolph Hitler...just pointing out that one man's "fear mongering" is another's "timely warning of impending disaster" and only history will know which was which.

We have been losing our freedoms, not in great gulps, but one little sip at a time...things that we used to believe "can't happen here" are now accepted as a matter of course.

Did you ever think (if you are one of the older people here on the Vine...the younger ones accept this without question) that children would need to fear being shot in school by their fellow students? Or that teachers would fear violence from their pupils?

6 votes

#19.4 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 4:55 PM EDT

owlsview

It's that slow steady drip that gets you in the end, worse than waterboarding.

2 votes

#19.5 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:42 AM EDT

Richard-3862103

Not everything you do not understand is explainable with a conspiracy theory. I appreciate your effort to draw out discussion about the President, as misguided, one-sided, and ill-willed as it is. I commend you for your seed, and your efforts to keep the discussion upbeat and even-tempered, not what I expect from a true Tea Party reactionary and vigilante.

2 votes

#19.6 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:54 AM EDT

owlsview

Not everything you do not understand is explainable with a conspiracy theory.

Is that supposed to be some kind of an epiphany? Do you think that I want to believe any of this theory to be true? Give me a dose of that good old fashioned "Transparency" a reason to believe that his actions and attitudes are positive in nature. There is a bit of the conspiracy theorist in all of us, when left without positive answers it is only natural to speculate on what the negative ones might be.

3 votes

#19.7 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 11:11 AM EDT

Richard-3862103

Fine, as long as you do not say, "I have never met a conspiracy theory that I did not like."

Demonizing he President is never going to fly outside the Tea Party.

#19.8 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 11:48 AM EDT

tesla013

So we cannot demonize the man who willing re-hired the individuals who created and caused and profited from the worst financial crisis since the great depression? The man who gave us promises of a return to financial regulation and then proceeded to do the opposite Richard? We cannot demonize a man who in 3 years has offered nothing more than 4 more years of Bush economic and foreign policy? Whose biggest claim to fame is his forcing millions of Americans who already cannot afford health care to purchase insurance anyway or become criminals? Obama is a @!$%#ing lying weasel.

5 votes

#19.9 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:07 PM EDT

merleliz

Demonizing he President is never going to fly outside the Tea Party.

Demonizing the 55 million American citizens who are registered Republicans as ignorant, illiterate, corporate enslaved, women-hating, greedy, wealthy racists doesn't work for anyone but some Liberals either....but it doesn't seem to stop them from trying.

4 votes

#19.10 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT

Richard-3862103

Obama is a @!$%#ing lying weasel

But that does not make him Beelzebub.

1 vote

#19.11 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT

merleliz

Nor does wanting the US government to quit spending money they don't have make members of the TEA Party terrorists.

3 votes

#19.12 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

Richard-3862103

Where was your outrage when Bush was racking it up? He never vetoed a spending bill in 8 years. Oh yeh, their they go again blaming Bush, right? I'll save you the time responding.

#19.13 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 5:19 PM EDT

Rob-LVNevada

Find me a Republican who would address President George W. Bush as "my fellow fiscal conservative", and I'm sure you'll find an answer to your question.

They don't exist - get this, because he wasn't. That's what a progressive, fiscally liberal Republican looks like.

2 votes

#19.14 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 5:43 PM EDT

merleliz

What makes you think I wasn't outraged at Bush's spending also?

Let me put it to you this way...if someone is adding to their debt $100.00 a week, it takes a year to see that they have added $5,200.00 to their debt. If the following month, they put another $5,000.00 on the debt...it just doesn't take that long to realize they now owe $10,200.00...plus interest.

A little graphic for you:

http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html

Now, the National Debt in March, 2009:

http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/usdebt.html

Can you imagine what it looks like now that it is $14 trillion and growing every second?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Bush/Obama, Republicans/Democrats... whoEVER...we have got to put a stop to this!

3 votes

#19.15 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 5:50 PM EDT

tesla013

"Where was your outrage when Bush was racking it up?" Like a @!$%#ing parrot. Polly blames Bush, Polly blames Bush. It was directed at Bush when Bush was actually in @!$%#ing power. Do none of you "Blame Bushers" realize what a loser you are making your guy out to be with 3 @!$%#ing years of Bush Did It??"

3 votes

#19.16 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 12:34 PM EDT

Richard-3862103

tesla013: you did not have to bother replying, because I already had your scripted response covered in 19.13.

1 vote

#19.17 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 3:35 PM EDT

tesla013

Really Richard so why bother to reply your ownself then? Desperate need for that last word?? You asked a question I answered it. Want no answer? Ask no question.

1 vote

#19.18 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 9:44 PM EDT

Richard-3862103

tesla013: You see right through me. Now, can I--please--have the last word?

1 vote

#19.19 - Fri Sep 9, 2011 11:20 PM EDT

merleliz

I spend all day talking to people (part of my job) ...and I have heard this theory proposed more and more often lately. It usually starts out with "Why has Obama reinforced and continued the Patriot Act...after all his campaign rhetoric against it...could it be that he plans to use it himself? Is that what is behind government officials calling the TEA Party terrorists?" A host of different scenarios have been talked about...but the gist of all of them is that our government is following the lead of the terrorist organizations and is preparing to use force to get their way. These are people who aren't really committed to any ideology...they despise the Republicans just about as much as they do the Democrats...IOW, they despise politicians in general and the current crop in particular.

Most Americans, who are neither the Progressive/Liberal Left nor the Extreme Right Wing, are getting more than a little concerned about the violent rhetoric and outlandish accusations of terrorism and treason against fellow citizens. Most of us, regardless of politics, are getting more than a little disgusted by the foul mouthed insults delivered by our politicians..."Go Straight to Hell" "Take the Sons of Bitches Out"...after all, a political debate should not be so vulgar and violent that it would be rated PG-17 were it made into a movie, you know? Would you take your 10 year old to hear Maxine Waters speak? Or Jim Hoffa? Or even Joe "BFD" Biden?

I know I may be a tad old fashioned regarding language, but I was always taught that four letter words were the language of those who could only count that high, and that intelligent people could find better ways of expressing themselves than by cursing and name calling. Of course, we are now talking about politicians, and I am not currently seeing a great deal of intelligence being displayed there, you know?

The saddest thing to me, is that we have become so very divided, in the 10 short years since we were so united by our grief at 9/11.

8 votes

#20 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:16 AM EDT

tesla013

I noticed you and others can't seem to pin a label on our President. That is amusing. He is the representation of the new Gentry class. Not up there with royalty mind you, Not a Soros nor a Koch. But a higher order cog in the machine. I have been inundated with 9-11 whimsy and melancholy all week, they keep asking the same question, what has changed since 9-11. The question kind of ties in with what you suggest here. What I have noticed more than anything else, well short of never looking at an airplane the same way again, is that after 9-11 we gave a blank check to intelligence and security apparatus in this country, reduced constitutional barriers protecting the American citizen(in the name of protection I might add), and then unleashed that apparatus upon, not the terrorists, but on American citizens. This was also done under Clinton right after Oklahoma. And before that under Reagan for the drug wars. The average Joe would be horrified at the loss of rights that has occurred in this country in the last 30 years. For instance how many of you are aware that Miranda no longer applies to every arrest? How many of you are aware that DEA or ATF can strip you of everything you own with a mere accusation? Have you read your schools zero tolerance policy carefully? Ya might want to. Having some benydril in your car when you pick up your child may get you arrested for violating a schools zero tolerance policy. And you are aware that entering school property is consent to search and seizure right? Could all of this be in preparation for what the author here suggests? You be the judge.

Our own troops could never be used to enforce martial law in America. The government has @!$%# upon them for too long. But hey go check out all the private security firms in this country, check out the arsenals they are collecting. Aircraft, artillery, anti-aircraft. Of course all that stuff is needed to protect high end folks from us rabble. UN troops would also be an option. Could Iraq and Afghanistan merely have been proving/testing grounds for these homegrown security armies??

The one thing that should be clear from the actions of our leadership is that the only political lines being drawn are being drawn by us, the rabble, not those for whom the camera so eagerly searcheth. We are more divided as a populace now than we ever have been before. The question we must have answered is why is this division so damned important and to whom. We suffer from the most debilitating of diseases here in America, and this is why I say we learned nothing at all from 9-11, "It can't happen to me, us, in America." Ah Contraire say I. It already has.

8 votes

#21 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:24 AM EDT

owlsview

Mereliz and Tesla,excellent comments and observations. If anybody here is sounding like a flat earthers, it's the ones who say this scenario is completely impossible. At one time the idea ofa someone rising to power and doing the things that peoplelike Hitler and Stalin did was considered laughable. It happened.

One thing to be learned from the aftermath of 911 is how easily we can be led into a false sense of security by giving up more of our rights so that government can do a better job of protecting us.

8 votes

#21.1 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 1:45 PM EDT

oderint dum metuant renatusDeleted

AngusD

Not only violence but racism as well. This just in:

White House press secretary Jay Carney at the beginning of his Wednesday briefing reacts after bringing out the wrong notebook: "Sorry. I'm going to shuck and jive! Time to shuck and jive."

OMG....the horror. Where is Jessie and Al on this racist bigot cracker. Shouldn't Maxine be leading a march? The Congressional Black C's MUST hold a special session and demand an apology.

Sorry, didn't mean to change the subject. But it seems to be getting equel blind eyes from the presidents followers.

6 votes

#23 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 6:50 PM EDT

owlsview

Afraid I would have to see it to come to any conclusion on word usage and context. I don't consider shuck & jive to be a racial thing. In fact if I were to classify it to any group it would be politicians, which would make the remark totally normal.

Neither is it an inappropriate joke for someone in his position to use when he commits a silly and embarrassing act. Perhaps only barely, but these people are human just like you and me, just better paid.

2 votes

#23.1 - Thu Sep 8, 2011 12:51 AM EDT

clarke ong

The "Bizarro World" Seinfeld episode immediately springs to mind, so that being said

sure...why not?

(Head explodes)

1 vote

#24 - Wed Sep 7, 2011 7:28 PM EDT

out of luck-3818251

Too late owl Ive had way too many beers. It all boils down to possibilities and probabilities. If he gets voted out (which he should) and decides not to leave the military will gladly put him on a boat and send him to where ever the hell he came from. Grunts (soldiers) only have to follow lawful orders. Still it was an interesting and out of the box read. I mean waaaaaaay out!! No worries mate voted it up the vine.

1 vote

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Not only violence but racism as well. This just in:

White House press secretary Jay Carney at the beginning of his Wednesday briefing reacts after bringing out the wrong notebook: "Sorry. I'm going to shuck and jive! Time to shuck and jive."

OMG....the horror. Where is Jessie and Al on this racist bigot cracker. Shouldn't Maxine be leading a march? The Congressional Black C's MUST hold a special session and demand an apology.

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