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Wednesday Weirdness --- NASA Ready With Shovel Ready Jobs

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:52 AM EDT
science, humor, opinion, technolgy
By owlsview
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News Links of the Day

http://news.yahoo.com/fema-prepared-dead-nasa-satellites-plunge-earth-week-140205718.html Chicken Little Was Right..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44600358/#.TnlEtuyd0Vs China Plays A Role.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-unveils-plan-buy-rides-astronauts-001135788.html Yo, Taxi!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/20/economic-plan-fallout-shows-difficulty-tackling-deficit-jobs-at-once/ To much by two.

 

     Wouldn't it be wonderful to put thousands  back to work. To put thousands of our college graduates to work using the computer and other high tech skills they have invested thousands of dollars into. We have it within our ability to do so.

     We have the tools. We have the technology. We have the money. Above all else, we have the desire.

 

An Epiphanous Moment

     While lying in bed watching the early morning news on the local NBC channel, the wife and I saw the story about the satellite crashing to earth this week. Some chunks could be the size of a refrigerator weighing something like 3,000 pounds. Thousands of rocks in the .225 range in size. Sounds like bullets raining down.

     They don't know where! What was it they said 1 in 32,000 chance of anybody getting hurt ? Based on the fact the earth is 2/3 water. It'salso1/3 land.Sounds more like a one in three chance to me. A bit of a stretch, call it poetic mischief. My point is it could hit in a major metropolitan area anywhere on the globe. Imagine waking up to the headlines "United States Bombs Hanoi From Space" Yes, yes another alarmist type stretch. Now look, this is not a conspiracy theory, nobody has any intention of bombing anybody from space. That we have been told of. Or that we know of.(couldn't resist).

     We got to talking about how many satellites were out there just waiting for their orbits to erode. According to the T.V. there are thousands of them. Worth millions, probably billions of dollars. So let's go get it !

     Developing a whole new industry, and creating the need for multiple support industries seems to be more progressive than anything we have heard out of Washington yet.

Clean Up The Environment

     You don't really think that bad weather and the way the stars are aligned or where the moon is at is the only thing they have to consider when plotting a flight path in outer space do you?We have placed a man made meteor cloud around our planet. A good portion of that computer humming you hear from the flight navigation team is plotting a path through all of the space junk.

     The tools and technology are at our fingertips. The good old sawzall, chop saw and acetylene torch will be replaced with a hand held multifunction laser tool. I'm on the verge of insanity (as usual) trying to imagine all of the new side industries that will develop as well as the endless opportunities to expand into the galaxy.

     We have already trained a workforce. One that will eagerly accept the opportunity to use their schooling and their skills employed as space salvagers. Big burly, carpenters, fat- butted plumbers and curly haired electricians aren't going to be needed on this job. What we need are techno cowboys. Engineers, programmers, specialty technicians.

 

    I could sit here all night and compile list after list of the benefits of initiating a space environmental industry. Don't tell me it can't be done for any other reason than political resistance.Take some time, read the links and let your mind wander, What ideas do you see in support industries, do you see any opportunities for things like maybe solar panels for reflected energy?

     Regardless of whether you consider this a good idea or not. You should at least admit that it isn't the worst idea in the world. Many of our kids got their educations with the very idea of space exploration and expansion in mind. We have a well educated technically superb group of young people chomping at the bit to have their turn at advancing the sciences of man.

Washington doesn't have the capacity to work on two things at once. Jobs keep getting shoved to the back of the line. As a taxpayer, do you want to see  the banks get more stimulus money? The car makers? The unions?  We've been down  that road and it proved to be a big loss for the average you and me.

I say we should grubstake a new industry for a new world. An industrial revolution of a new  dimension to fit the needs of the 21st Century.

     A fools dream?  A step forward!

 

     Would probably be most successful if privatized.

 

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COH --- Cope Or Hope

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:54 AM EDT
my-pockets-r-mt

We got to talking about how many satellites were out there just waiting for their orbits to erode. According to the T.V. there are thousands of them. Worth millions, probably billions of dollars. So let's go get it !

I've always wondered why we don't retrieve the space junk.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:28 AM EDT
Runner99

Exactly Owl, brilliant! You are going to need disposal companies to pick the junk up and transport it, a recycle plant, people to tract the debris...you're right...the list could go on forever.

The 1 in 32000 scares me a little, actually a lot.. Those are way better odds than the lottery, and people win the lottery. I wonder if they are going to hire someone to yell "incoming" when the debris is tracking near or around land fall.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:13 AM EDT
Mike in Ga-

I'm wondering why with the failure of the Russians supply vehicle for the space station we don't continue to use our shuttle to sustain the station until the Russians are up and running again. There is talk of shutting down, and returning the station inhabitants to earth due to this problem. Something doesn't add up here. Why not use our shuttle for a little longer? It's a very accomplished, capable workhorse for this duty.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:24 PM EDT
owlsview

I doubt that any of our shuttles could be refitted and made ready in less than a year now.The idea of keeping our shuttles operational on a stand-by basis while developing new ones, is an expensive road to go down.

There does seem to be something odd about this space station situation. One could almost suspect that the U.S. and Russia are both hiding something from us. Are there to many flaws? Has it taken so long to build that it is already antiquated and not truly viable or useful?

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:39 PM EDT
Spikegary

NASA traded them in for a new Kia in the Cash for Clunkrs' program. The dealer had to go in and crack the engine blocks and stuff. Just way too hard to get them back!

And there is lots of precious metals on those things that could be salvaged. Let private industry loose on it.........

Nice Wed. thoughts, Owl.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
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owlsview

An article without the L and C words. Weird.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:56 AM EDT
Spikegary

You mean Lochs and Cream Cheese? Oh crap, now I did it.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Mon Oct 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT
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tesla013

I have a quandry. Am I wrong to sense something amiss in building a solar collection station near an airport?

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:38 AM EDT
Runner99

Good point tesla.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
owlsview

Is it a glare in the air that has you concerned? Solar panels do not "have" to be reflective. In fact I'll put forth the argument that the less reflection of light the more efficient the use of solar power. New avenues of research and development may be needed.(more jobs). Typical solar panels in space could create potential hazards. Is there a way to capture solar power, condense it and transmit it to a receiving station on earth?

Airports have vast areas of open land around their runways. Except of course a notable few in major metropolitan areas. Crashes are always a concern, one reason for all of the open land. Typical crash patterns are easily determined, care can be taken in the placement of panels to avoid the zones with the highest probability rates.

Buffer zones around airports are needed to protect people, other than that they are wasted real estate, barren, nonproductive.

Good morning and thanks for coming by. Maybe we political types can give science a boot in the pants. Challenge them to do new things, not sit around arguing about where we came from all the time, or sticking their noses into the completely unscientific world of politics.

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT
tesla013

I feel better now Owl. Thanks. Nasa has shovel ready @!$%#. Their collective throat is being slit by Washington politics. Mankind has always been at its most innovative in three areas, Killing each other, hardship, and exploration. Sooner or later they will get it.

  • 7 votes
#3.3 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT
owlsview

The idea of all of facilities belonging to NASA being divvied up for military interests or more likely just going to waste, is appalling. NASA is a ready made certification and regulatory agency.

This old planet has seen more than it's share of killing. Each advance we make in the efficiency of mass killings the greater the chances of our next killing rampage(world war) being our last.Rather than terminate our abilities to kill each other, we can just take our fetishes to outer space with us.

There is still a lot of earth to be explored. Not enough to satisfy our needs for new challenges. The more we explore the more we move in. Conservationist due have a point. Where are the other species that inhabit the earth supposed to live after we move in?Those poor little frogs and darters don't have the option of space exploration available to them.

We would have no problem taking basic human garbage with us. Union types will be in their glory. Can you imagine how proud Jimmy Hoffa Jr. would be if he were to be named the first president of the Intergalactical Federation of Stellar Engineers?

  • 6 votes
#3.4 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT
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top39new

Dear Owlsview, et al.

I can see that you are partly joking. However, I see value in all that you say. Some of the places where this idea can be followed up on are:

1. Obama website - they have a special button for suggestions to the president

2. General Electric. The CEO of this organization, Immelt, has the ear of the President, as well as the technology to put your ideas into action.

3. NJIT and other technical schools - they have special departments for new ideas to develop. These departments would make calculations as to the cost of putting the idea into action.

4. NASA. Hopefullly they also have a button for sending emails.

5. Foxnews, CNN, MSN, Time, New York Times, London Telegraph.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:33 PM EDT
owlsview

top39new, I do enjoy injecting humor into the articles I write, however when it comes to this topic, I am really not kidding. It is my personal opinion that failure to expand off planet guarantees our extinction as a species, if for no other reason that eventually some big old meteor is bound to collide with the earth. The odds of us self-destructing are greater.

1: Obama Website -- A good place to tell him what to do and where to go I don't think I would not be inclined to trust any politician to take this idea and run with it. Isn't hard to visualize all the debating, promise making, obstructionism and delays.

2: General Electric, Immelt. Putting space exploration and expansion in the hands of big business would be akin to putting General Motors and BP in charge of alternate fuel development. New technology would be buried until every last penny was squeezed out of the old.

3: Universities and Tech schools have already developed or are in the process of developing new ideas and technologies useful and necessary for space exploration. Products have been developed and sitting dormant for lack of a market for them.

4: NASA, the bulk of the scientists who have been employed by NASA have dedicated their lives to the advancement of space exploration. Their experience and many of the innovations they have already developed are a commodity that is sinful to waste. The administration of NASA is all politics, see number 1.

5: Media. Media is probably the best tool that the people could use to press the issue of space exploration and development.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
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Pat P11111

You are correct in essence. It is a very very capital intensive activity though.

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space_exploration/index.html

http://www.spacex.com/

Right now its by our boot straps, tough work

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:06 PM EDT
owlsview

Tough work is how progress is made. That which is easy has no challenge.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:12 PM EDT
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owlsview

Support industry. Man, I sure would like to hold the patent for the first solar-powered SUV (Space Utility Vehicle).

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
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