Liberals Use Death To Deflect From Issues

Certainly not the seeder.

Are you saying that her case was used for diversionary purpose by politicians also?

Yes.

Then you agree that this type of thing does get done.

Yes.

By extension that you would agree that what I say is possible.

Plausible, but unlikely. Obama didn't inject himself into that debate, for example. I remember GW Bush flew back to D.C. from his Texas ranch to help his brother Jeb out during the Schiavo fiasco.

“This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent. Quite to the contrary, we have repeatedly left that question unresolved, while expressing considerable doubt that any claim based on alleged “actual innocence” is constitutionally cognizable.”

Any judicial system that's okay with killing someone who may be innocent needs to be seriously re-evaluated.

This is just another example of flaws in state government and the concept of republicanism ... the lack of fairness and objectivity going right up to the GOTP corrupted congress and SCOTUS.

Freedom of religion is now the freedom of religion to take away freedoms ... and to interfere with Governance ... voting laws are being used to suppress the rights of the very voters they were designed to protect ..... collective bargaining is under severe attack by the right wing as a source of political campaign contributions for progressives ...

we are in a pit bull fight with a right wing adversary that has money and power and does not hesitate to flaunt it .... this is a global problem ... the plutocracy versus humanity as a whole.

Any judicial system that's okay with killing someone who may be innocent needs to be seriously re-evaluated.

I do not see the Judicial system being "OK" with a supposedly innocent being executed, it is a risk that this society is willing to take. If we could only judge on absolute certainty there would be no judgments made.

Of course here in Texas this would not be a subject of concern now, because this POS would have achieved room temperature years ago. hmmmm

I do not see the Judicial system being "OK" with a supposedly innocent being executed, it is a risk that this society is willing to take

That's a funny statement as the whole point of innocent until proven guilty is that we would rather have a guilty person go free than to incarcerate an innocent one.

That is a basi concept of our judicial system. Scalia is simply rewriting over 2oo years of legal scholarship in this country.

Talk about your activist judges!

You're absolutely right. SCOTUS Justices have an absolute DUTY to throw out a guilty verdict handed down by a jury after listening to all the evidence. (/sarc)

Did I say that? Where, exactly?

Oh, that's right - you can read minds and know exactly what everyone is thinking at all times. I forgot you were so talented./s

forget it. My new philosophy is "never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent"

SCOTUS Justices have an absolute DUTY to throw out a guilty verdict handed down by a jury after listening to all the evidence. (/sarc)

and posted to an article about deflection. My, that's rich.

WTF does that mean?

Yet you wasted your time to try to insult me.

Project much, do you?

Not projecting just can't figure out WTF he was talking about.

Oh, get a room!

No chest beating involved - simple observation that she was going for the insult only to end up making herself look ridiculous.

I didn't name names. You're the one who, with the title, suggests that only one issue at a time can be dealt with. I'm just saying that perhaps it is a matter of multitasking and not deflection.

Is there a specific reason that I am under attack here?

Yep.

You aren't "toeing the line" that they want you to toe.

Owl, I see the deflection first hand here from the liberals. They are turning the subject seeded into a personal agenda. Which proves your point.

Your article is right on the mark! I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw the pattern! As long as the government and the media keep pumping out the distractions, we will continue to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off! It's a matter of divide and conquer!

Now that they have been pretty successful with dividing the country, the next round will be to conquer us! (More government bureaucracy, and more government control in our day to day lives).

It is a great article Owl, and the people posting here showed the irony of it by trying to deflect. Laughed my ass off.

We recognize deflection for what it is. Which you and E.T have clearly pointed out are a diversion from the clear facts that need attention, that those in Government do not want to address. How do we keep them on task? I say we keep the pressure on by supporting those who are trying to do something about it. I send messages of enouragement to the politicians who are doing the right things.

I didn't name names. You're the one who,

Here is our problem.

("You're" )...is the largest name you could possibly come up with. Untill we stop using large words like you're, we will never accomplish anything.

In the constant struggle for the liberal to maintain their "Who Gets the Blame" List. I cannot conceive of them being able to hold a single thought for any length of time. Though many of these intellectual giants simply take the "Dubyya Did It" short cut to, of course, ease any issues we lower forms of intellectual life may have in understanding such complex concepts.

tesla - I think maybe you didn't get the memo. "Dubyya Did it" is officially being replaced with "It's the fault of the GOTP".

Whoops, sorry Owl! Wrong article, go ahead and delete.

Yeah coloradoan, one would think you were thinking about underwear or something. Jeez, get with it already. Who in their right mind would post something about their underwear. Sick!

Yeah, like big butt underwear. Sorry Owl, that was my example of deflecting. How'd I do?

Frigg'in awsome. hahahahahahahahahaha

I promise to be more careful. LOL

They'd rather cheer it, Doc.

I'm still looking for the topic ... it seems to be to throw the democrats in one big boiling pot with the GOTP and blame them all ... when in fact it is the right wing who deserves all the criticism for the death penalty ... the old 50%-50% share the blame ploy ...

May I respectfully suggest that if you can't figure out the topic of the article there is no need to post any response as it will, as a matter of fact, be off topic. In your stream of consciousness, Coral, the Republicans are responsible for everything from hangnails to bad hair days.

Sorry, owl, if everyone else is going to be off topic here I figured the least I could do is point out that some posters only HAVE one topic so it's not really their fault.

Now for those of you who actually KNOW what the job of the SCOTUS really is, it becomes obvious that they are not making (and it is not appropriate for them to make) a judgment call about whether or not someone is guilty, but rather what the Constitution SAYS about due process and what actually constitutes due process.

..the "article" claims that liberals are using Troy's execution to deflect from other larger issues

so claiming

Who talks the most about issues has nothing to do with this article.

is just wrong

and your claim also makes it like people just picked this guys execution for the hell of it, most of the reason was that his execution date finally rolled up when people for years been making an issue on this case

Owlsview - What are you even trying to say here? Every time someone is executed there are protests. When Michael Ross was executed in my home state of CT people protested and he WANTED to die! In the rare cases that someone is being executed and there is evidence they are innocent, it is the responsibility of citizens to raise awareness about what's going on. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with this and it is an important issue that we should have been addressing. Pointing out that we just potentially executed an innocent man is derailing the national conversation? It's a "distraction?" Not at all. It is a morally reprehensible deed, and people glossing over it are reprehensible. THEY are derailing our national conversation if they DON'T want to talk about it.

That's what people who protested the execution did. This has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism it has to do with the very important question: did our nation just kill an innocent man? If you call that very important moral issue deflection, I just have to think you'd feel a little differently if it had been you on death row.

then librals have REALLY poor strategists seeing now that he's dead, Ill even bet you by Saturday, you wont see anything more about this

but then the next question because , to what end?

You say its a distraction, but you list liberals in the title, congress, president, or both(good luck with that)

humans in a way are simple, any action is going to be taken to gain SOMETHING, and the things you list as objectives wouldnt help on this

if this case was to be used to pass some sort of law, it would have to relate to it in some way

trying to make Scalia look bad is a waste of time, appointed for life, and the people that dont like him, still dont like him, the people that do like him, still do

Your claiming a small issue that doesnt have staying power in the public mind is a screen for something, but cant state what that thing might even be

While some of what you say maybe true, I am seeing this Country being executed financially. Both are important issues, and one should not cloud the other. Both need to be addressed without shoving the other under the rug.

Runner99: Agreed.

Brilliant!

I'm not trying to deflect your discussion. Your article is titled "liberals use death to deflect from issues." I'm trying to say that death, in this case, is the proper spur to talk about the issue of capital punishment. It's not a deflection. It sounds to me like your article is trying to deflect the discussion about capital punishment by calling it a deflection from the other issues.

Oh, and thanks for noticing that I got very little response on my seeded articles.

tgstk2...I think you missed the point.

The article is about deflection...not death or social issues.

OK, fine. I missed the point. I'm a complete idiot. Thanks for listening! Hope my deflection didn't water down your discussion!

...that is a bold face purposely inflammatory lie. Please report me to Tyler for saying that.

Good for you, owlsview. Same here. I don't want to pile on, but I do want to chime in on overt, obvious intellectual dishonesty used as a debating device, and as Tyler said above, maybe it's more conducive for discussion at another time and place. But in the meantime...

Deliberately misstating someone's position, imho, as this particlar 'viner exploits almost daily, should be just as egregious as the standard formulaic, "name [so-and-so], verb [is], predicate adjective [insert rudeness here]". The CoH is violated daily by this 'viner in other overt ways that don't necessary fit into this easy, simple formula. Maybe I'll start reporting them as well, instead of just letting his words speak for themselves and reflect upon him, all by themselves.

Thanks for letting me comment.

Holy frijoles, tyler. You suspended Coral for that? Well, suspend me, too. How can owl get away with his one-sided moderation where anyone who disagrees with him is accused of violating the CoH while Coral gets suspended for calling it as they see it? You can't tell me that owl's "You have no respect for anyone not even yourself" isn't nearly as bad as Coral calling owl a shill.

The difference is owl did not violate the COH! I have seen other moderators do a lot of COH violations with impunity and not get their articles constantly collapsed by the roving marauders that seem to be making a habit of it.

You suspended Coral for that?

Just go to Coral's column and read how he responds to people even on his own opinion pieces. The pattern of behavior is quite obvious so I need not spell it out here.

Truth Sleuth ... I think you and merleliz have found a perfect home here on owlsviews comment threads .... you are a perfect match for one another's "approach" to commenting .... ;-)

Rightly assessed, Coral.

In other cultures they are considered bringers of wisdom!

Go figure!

Liberals Use Death To Deflect From Issues

So sleuth what does your comment have to do with the header ..... I've still yet to draw any comparisons from your remarks and most here other than attacks on liberals, the authors comments and rule that comments are not to be about the death penalty .....

Do you and owlsview think you can get away with your "deflections"? ;-) Where are your "issues" ??

;-)

epic fail

From my #20 above, and I repeat it verbatim: "... I think what you're honing in on, and accurately so, is the fact that this is yet another topic and story in the news that's being exploited by partisans on both sides of the political spectrum in order to be used as a weapon against the other and to score some political points...This is a partisan issue for exploitation for political purposes in the ongoing war between right and left. The pros and cons of the death penalty are something else entirely."

I would think that would be perfectly clear. The issue, according to the author is not the death penalty per se; rather, it's yet another issue being exploited by both sides of the political spectrum for point-scoring.

I would take issue with the header of the article. I don't for one moment believe that liberals use this tactic exclusively. I believe Democrats, Republicans and Tea Partyers use it to the hilt...and to the detriment of the more important issues facing us liberals, conservatives, independents and moderates today.

The death penalty issue is an important one, as far as my own personal politics are concerned. But I believe in these extenuating times, it's a topic for another day, and I would advocate a moratorium on executions until that day comes. I'm not going to expound upon that any further because the author has said the topic is not the death penalty; it's partisanship and political gamesmanship.

OK you want to get into Terri Schiavo, here it is. That was the ULTIMATE deflection from the Florida legislature trying to end around the courts to the friggin fed govt trying to get her into witness protection.

Yes, because this article isn't really a deflection about what is really happening in this country.

Except, of course, an innocent man may very well have been put to death, and your concern isn't with the fact that one of our core principles was violated, it's that there are people who pointed that out.

Unlike the Shiavo case, there actually is precedent for our government stepping in and correcting a wrong. Sometimes they actually do that.

Coral,

Why dont you quit while you're behind? You completely missed the entire point of the article and have fallen for the "watch this hand, ignore the other hand" hook, line, and sinker. You are doing exactly what Owl is talking about, and you dont even realize it, so rather than embarrass yourself some more, maybe you should just leave.

now that's funny, Coral...just a couple of years ago I remember the Dems saying conservatives wanted people to "die quickly" because they didn't support Obamacrapcare.

Grayson the disgraced idiot from FLa wasn't the only one.

Good seed, owls.

You're free to write or seed an article on the death penalty, Coral. I would be among those arguing against the death penalty.

But the theme of this article, as clearly stated by the author, is not the pros and cons of the death penalty, and he/she has chosen to moderate the discussion in such a way as to keep the discussion on the actual topic.

But you are illustrating owlsview's point beautifully, and it's really very satisfying and amusing: You're obviously far more concerned with the partisan aspects of this rather than the constitutional or moral issues pertaining to the death penalty. IOW, you've provided a perfect case in point for the theme of this article, and you don't even realize it. Pity. Hoisted on your own petard, once again. :)

Linda, the topic is actually about deflection! Reread the article then laugh hysterically as you read the comments that are posted proving the point of the mass defections!