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Wednesday Weirdness --- Get me Stoned ~~~~~ Then Stone Me!

Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:19 PM EDT
politics, crime, opinion, justice, courts, sarcasm
By owlsview

"For What It's Worth"

  • A thousand people in Wall Street carrying signs. So many people speaking their mind
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Nothing is exactly clear. So much resistance of every kind. What a field day for the heat.

 

Judge: Loughner may eventually be competent to stand trial
Judge Rules Mother of Missing Arizona Boy Incompetent to Stand Trial
Appeals court stays extension of Loughner treatment
Treatments and Drugs

     It is common knowledge that Liberals don't like the death penalty. They along with the majority of Americans have shall we say an intense dislike for Jarod Loughner. So just what are the Arizona and Federal courts up to?

 

Cruel and Unusual Punishment

     Do you believe Jarod Loughner was of a sound mind when he committed the Tucson atrocities? A bevy of PHDs and a judge have declared that he isn't competent enough to stand trial. He has been diagnosed as a "paranoid schizophrenic". Who cares if he is a psycho, was a psycho at the time of the shootings, and will always be a psycho. The doctors don't, the judge obviously doesn't. This boy needs to be punished, severely.

     So now we got this new thing going, when a mentally ill person commits a crime let us pump them full of mind control drugs to create an appearance of competency, tell them and show them pictures of what they have done and then punish them severely for the acts committed while not of a sound mind, possibly even execute them. That's right, execute them. The Feds aren't the only ones with an ax to grind with Mr. Loughner. The State of Arizona wants their day in court with him also. The State of Arizona has the death penalty and people don't like little girls getting murdered in shopping malls.

 

Not About Loughner

     This is about you! Your rights and the protections afforded you in our judicial system.

 

     The Jared Loughner case has provided the Justice Department with a golden opportunity to conduct drug induced interrogations and gain drug induced information and confessions.  Not only do we have the Loughner case, but we also have an Arizona judge doing the same thing in the Elizabeth Johnson /Baby Gabriel case. One or both of these cases if allowed to succeed in forcing drug induced competency,(doesn't that sound odd?), will be used as precedents in future cases. A prosecutor would merely have to bring in the question of a defendants mental competency get the judge to order an evaluation and treatment. Terrorist trials would move through the court system unhindered. Who needs water-boarding, just use the drugs.

     How do we keep losing more and more of our rights and protections? By overlooking situations just like these.

 

Interesting News

 

Congress settles funding fight, for now

How nice, another six week band aid, a whole year without a real budget and the new year just around the corner.

 

Christie opts out of 2012 presidential race

Smart man and has a good chance to serve as President further on down the road, like 2016 maybe. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that no matter who we elect in 2012, the next couple of Presidents have a higher probability of being single termers than ever before.

 

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owlsview

COH

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:21 PM EDT
Spikegary

Courts of Horrors?

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:40 AM EDT
owlsview

LOL good one.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
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Bad Fish

Why put them on trial at all?, our government just executed a US citizen that was not convicted of a crime. Terrorist is the new Communist.

As for Chris Christie, maybe he wants to take care of some personal issues first.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:32 PM EDT
owlsview

Capture and conviction would indeed be preferable. Consider though that our government has sponsored, trained and supplied so many of these "terrorists" at one time or another that trials would put our national security at risk. Or at least those who are in charge of our national security at risk.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
merleliz

Do you believe Jarod Loughner was of a sound mind when he committed the Tucson atrocities?

IMHO, he was...and was for a long time before the shootings, nuttier than squirrel poo. Pumping him full of drugs will not make him any less nutty, it will just make him appear calmer on the surface.

An old horse dealer trick is to feed sedatives to an unruly horse before the buyer comes to "test ride", then feed them again when the new owners arrive to pick up their new darling and take him home. The crooked horse dealer will even give you a bag of feed to go along with your new pride and joy, because you don't want to change feed drastically, it can lead to colic (true)...and a few weeks later, when you've run out of the drugged feed and your new pride and joy is jumping out of his stall, kicking everything in reach of his hooves, and nipping at you with his teeth...the old owners are just sooo puzzled as to what you could have "done to him" to make him behave that way....because he NEVER acted that way when they had him.

Loughner will be just as nutty once they take him off the drugs, after they have sentenced him to death and during his 30 years of death sentence appeals. But no one really cares, and no one will defend his "rights" because they despise what he did and don't feel he should have any.

How do we keep losing more and more of our rights and protections? By overlooking situations just like these.

Yep.

Consider though that our government has sponsored, trained and supplied so many of these "terrorists" at one time or another that trials would put our national security at risk. Or at least those who are in charge of our national security at risk.

Or both.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:08 PM EDT
Spikegary

Much as the need for revenge is present, I think this guy needs to be sent to a Mental Hospital and kept there for however long it takes to cure him, if that's possible. Putting him in prison is just extracting a pound of flesh. I do not think he is competent to stand trial. I haven't heard too much on the other case.

I've noted the childish glee of some that have spun Christie and Palin opting out of the presidential race as some type of personal triumph. These are the same people that would have spent the next year or so, in childish glee, spinning every and any-thing into something bad against either of these two.

IV, if you don't mind, I put up a new Music Blog and Contest on my wall. Upscale and out of the gutter as opposed to most of the political stories we see here on Newsvine. I hope you'll come over and participate.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
owlsview

Music, never a problem for me. Link it, everybody can use some entertainment from time to time.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
Spikegary

Cool-it's here-ish. Enjoy, have some fun, someone needs to win it!

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 1:11 PM EDT
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owlsview

We have been put in a heck of a spot. Nobody really wants to appear to be defending Loughner, including me, but if we don't defend his rights from these type of actions, we will be forfeiting our own rights.

Whether he is forced to stand trial or not, he is already being pumped full of drugs, told and shown what he has done. Suppose these drugs do achieve a sense of mental balance for him, can you imagine what it would feel like to come out of a mental fog and realize what you have done ? It would be totally understandable if he begged for the death penalty.

Can it be considered a fair trial if the accused is forced to take drugs to understand what is going on? If he is on mind altering drugs, how can we be sure he understands anything? When a witness is known to be directly under the influence of drugs or alcohol is his testimony allowed? Should it be? Same principle.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM EDT
Spikegary

You've hit it on the head-we have to defend everyone's rights, regardless of how we feel about them. That's what makes us different (and to my mind) better than other countries that wouldn't bother with the 'niceties'.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 9:46 AM EDT
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Libertarian y2k

It is pretty clear to me. I think he is nuts, and legally so. Incompetent to stand trial says it all. So we have two choices. Either treat him as such or re-visit the whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" deal. Obviously we can't have him walking the streets. So what do we do? Put him away until (if) he gets better or lock him up for life regardless? Do we still use the insanity defense based on the severity of crime or how unpopular it was (selective justice), or do we decide one way or the other whether a person is guilty regardless of their state of mind? I can see both sides to be honest. But I think the rules shouldn't change on a case by case pr popular basis. Either people are not guilty by reason of insanity or they are personally responsible for their crime no matter the state of mind.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 6:58 AM EDT
owlsview

There is no cure for paranoid schizophrenia, only a level of control through medication that they have to stay on for life. We just need to cut the crap on this case, have him committed for life as being criminally insane. To play around with our laws concerning mental capacity and legal responsibilities would take us back to the dark ages.

The system as it is does get played and abused, but nothing like the abuses that would be perpetrated by change. Quick question, do you trust Holder?

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 10:37 AM EDT
northern girl

Quick answer: NOPE!

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Spikegary

Pretty much there with you. But he's a political appointee and it seems, more and more, for them, the default answer is always 'no'.

  • 2 votes
#7.2 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 1:19 PM EDT
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