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The American President Barack Obama, M.I.A.

Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:14 AM EST
politics, obama, president, opinion, independents, moderates, centrists
By owlsview
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Hot diggity dang, I did it again.

 Got to talking to a friend on another posting concerning the contempt-ability of Obama and believe I have come up with a good reason to have my own talk about what could be Obama's real problem. A way to convince the moderates and liberals who are still slightly leaning in Obama's direction that there is a real reason to not re-elect him.

I will begin by reprinting the response that I made to a comment that placed the bulk of the blame on the Democratic Party and Harry Reid in particular on the budget impasse.

"I believe that Senator Rubio has a better explanation for the recent failures in the budget debate, beginning at about the 4:50 mark of his and Senator Coon's appearance on T.V. this morning than blaming just the Democrats or just the Republicans. Maybe his appearance is deceiving me, but he seems to be a bit young to be that wise and understanding.

Harry Reid is no friend of mine, but the fact is he isn't going anywhere for at least another five years.He also does not carry the burden of the blame for the Senate not allowing various bills to pass or come to a vote. Take a look, not at who he is, but what he is.

The highest ranking member in both the Senate and the House of the same party as that which resides in the Executive Branch are the chief en-actors of the Executive Branches wishes in Congress. In other words, the President's top puppets.

Imagine that you are a puppet, the performance is about to begin. The puppeteer is there, ready to pull the string that tells you which foot to lift, which hand to wave, to jump or run, walk, forwards, backwards, forwards square and round(oops, got caught up in a little Rock & Roll there). The curtain rises, your strings don't move , the puppet-master is walking away.

"Master, master", you call out, "Come back. What shall I do?"

His reply, "Wiggle your own strings. Call me when you have a solution."

What do you do? You know the issues, good old taxes and cuts, we should be able to do this. So you get to work. You come up with a plan, they come up with a plan, you both come up with a plan together. Each time you call the President.

" Mr. President we have come up with a plan which we believe is acceptable."

The puppet-master roars back, " A plan? You call this a plan? This isn't a plan this is an insult an affront to the American people! Not at all what I want!"

"What is it that you want sir?", you ask.

This time he replies with that charming little grin of his " Don't play games with me. You know that what I want is whats best for the American people. Now get back out there and get me what I want."

What we have, is a President who isn't even there for his own party, leastwise the country."

     This is what the Democratic Party, the Republican Party and the country has had to put up with from this President.

 

     Under the premise that I laid out above, the Democrats are at fault for the budget deadlock. More accurately the fault is on the shoulders of one Democrat. President Obama is a registered Democrat, the others are guilty by proxy.

 

     Just like Senator Rubio gave the Congressional Democrats a break, I want to give President Obama one also.

 

 

 I present the following under the premise that President Obama is putting forth the best effort he can, does believe that he is doing the best job possible and has the best interests of the American people at heart. That just isn't enough in his case, and it is not totally his fault that he is not an effectual President.

     Most of us have heard and many of us place some truth in the theory that Obama is a manufactured candidate. I subscribe to the theory that most Presidential candidates are. Both parties make a practice of it. The Democrats are more inclined to do it as an organizational thing, whereas the Republicans tend to do it within their individual families.

     This time around it was the up to the pool of Academic Elite Progressives to provide the next great Democrat President. They really thought they could do it. The best minds in the country, unlimited knowledge at their fingertips a true understanding of the best philosophies. Alas, poor learned, it is one of the very philosophies that those of intelligence are fond of espousing that has been your undoing.

This is the quote as I remember it, " If one wants to be considered successful and truly smart, he must first surround himself with those who are smarter than himself." That isn't 100% accurate to the original, but you get it I'm sure. Now that should actually be considered as very sound and sage. A very logical conclusion. It does not apply to the Office of the President of the United States.

     President Obama knows very little about an awful lot. He is intelligent but he lacks in diversity of knowledge. An effective President must know more than the average person on more topics than the average person. He can not take the risk of relying solely on the word of someone whom he considers to have superior knowledge and insight than he himself has. It is his responsibility to be sure that all of the factors have been properly compiled so as to yield an accurate assessment.

    President Obama truly believed that he could rely on the greatness of minds other than his own, that was made obvious early on in his Presidency. Many of his appointments were made from the halls of academia which he himself came from. Many have since cut and run. I believe primarily because they found themselves in over their heads, instead of lifting us all to new levels, all that book learning was bogging them down with applicable in theory only, non-applicable in a fluid society.

     We elected Obama in a time of financial crisis. He led us to believe that he could help us survive and come out of it stronger. The Senate vote on Obama's economic plan pretty much tells us all we have to know about his knowledge of financial matters. He bounces back and forth between liberal and conservative trying desperately to play the role of a centrist in a reflexist manner wanting to hide the truth. He does not know enough to formulate qualified answers. We do not have the time to allow his ability to learn do it's job.

     The above-mentioned philosophy could also lead one to believe that to be successful one would merely have to be able to keep people motivated and focused on that which needs to be done. Once more I must say alas, for he has proven to be the perfect contrast. Has this country ever been so divided since the days of sedition leading up to the Civil War?

     So I say to you who are still wobbling, if a more learned Baraq Obama wishes to return in the future we should consider his worthiness at that time. This is not that time. We do not want to return completely to the Washington of old, major changes in personnel in Congress is more imperative than ever. Unless a super person steps forward soon, when it comes to the Office of the President we need to take a step backwards to the basic type of President we have been getting for the last 50 years. Hopefully, it will only be for four years. The power of the one who holds the highest office is counter-balanced and can be over-ruled by the power of the hundreds who hold office in the Congress. This is as it should be.

     It isn't going to be easy making the changes in our government that need to be made. Unlike the last fifty years, we can not allow a mistake that has been made to remain.

 

     In an effort to give further thought to the candidate making theories, I would like to wish the Democratic machine in Chicago the best in their current efforts to launch the guy that Obama was the prototype for, Rahm Emmanuel as a Presidential candidate in 2016.

     Now it just wouldn't feel right if I didn't leave a little something for those ultra smart people who tried so hard, something they haven't read in any book but are sure learning the hard-way.  I call it an Owlism:

 

     "We may all be forced to live by the same rules, but never shall we all play by the same rules." Owls out!

 

Dang, that one is so profound, I sure hope nobody else has said it quite that way before. Not intending to plagiarize anything just stating an obvious fact.  



 

 

 

 

 



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owlsview

COH ------------------------------ Disagree all you want, I prefer that you agree, but either way keep it civil.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:16 AM EST
Susan-649485

The highest ranking member in both the Senate and the House of the same party as that which resides in the Executive Branch are the chief en-actors of the Executive Branches wishes in Congress. In other words, the President's top puppets.

So are you saying that Obama is in control of what Boehner says and does?

Not buying that premise at all.

  • 11 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:05 AM EST
owlsview

Susan, Boehner is a Republican, Obama is a Democrat.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:07 PM EST
Reply
katlin

this could be summmed up quite quickly--obama is INCOMPETENT--anybody would do a better job...

emanuel is nothing but another chicago thug..we should never let him out of that cage..lesson learned..

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:13 AM EST
lifeisgood43

My my my, another crying seed from the anti-Pres Obama crowd. Nothing but a hit piece aim at Pres Obama. The Reps/Tea Party are running scare of knowing that they have no one to beat Pres Obama so they are doing anti-voting laws and bills. They are also trying to get Pres Obama off the ballots. The Reps/Tea Party have no one on Pres Obama level so they write hit pieces.

For someone to say that Pres Obama is MIA is not living in the real world. None of the Reps/Tea Party have the will, knowledge or energy

  • 18 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:31 AM EST
Patriot 8888

Don't you ever have anything constructive to say?

My my my, another crying seed from the anti-Pres Obama crowd. Nothing but a hit piece aim at Pres Obama. The Reps/Tea Party are running scare of knowing that they have no one to beat Pres Obama so they are doing anti-voting laws and bills. They are also trying to get Pres Obama off the ballots. The Reps/Tea Party have no one on Pres Obama level so they write hit pieces.

I have read the same spiel on the past 5 seeds that are not in the "cheering" section for BO.

Actually, the Dems are now in panic mode as new polling in New Hampshire puts Romney ahead of Obama by a 10 point margin in a head to head match. New Hampshire - that bastion of Liberal dogma - of all places.

Barry is one and done.

  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:58 AM EST
owlsview

Yes lifeisgood, this is another hit piece against Obama. Is there something wrong about that? I am anti-Obama, I write articles that express my opinions about him. You support Obama, you say nice things about him. Where is the problem? Am I supposed to dissent in silence? Sorry, but we aren't living under totalitarian socialist rules yet, and never will if I can help it.

  • 7 votes
#4.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:16 PM EST
Andrew-1162039

New Hampshire - that bastion of Liberal dogma - of all places.

The live free or die state, the chosen location for a libertarian Mecca, is a bastion of liberal dogma? New Hampshire is about as purple a state as you'll find in this country.

Since 1855 their senatorial delegation, for example, has been decidedly red:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_New_Hampshire

  • 5 votes
#4.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM EST
Reply
Susan-649485

Well, I just think it's kind of silly to complain that he's not literally a dictator.

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:37 AM EST
owlsview

Just exactly what does the statement you just made mean?

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST
John Bayner

Read your article again owl and get back to us.

" Mr. President we have come up with a plan which we believe is acceptable."

The puppet-master roars back, " A plan? You call this a plan? This isn't a plan this is an insult an affront to the American people! Not at all what I want!"

"What is it that you want sir?", you ask.

This time he replies with that charming little grin of his " Don't play games with me. You know that what I want is whats best for the American people. Now get back out there and get me what I want."

What we have, is a President who isn't even there for his own party, leastwise the country."

Rubio is a pinhead stool for the Republicants.

  • 8 votes
#5.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST
owlsview

Rubio takes the heat off of the Democrats in Congress and places the blame on Obama and the best retort you can come up with is calling him "a pinhead stool"? Does that mean I am a pinhead stool also? You know there is this practice out there called acupuncture. From what I hear with the proper placement of pins you can actually relieve your mind of stress and think clearer. Might be worth a try, what do you think?

  • 4 votes
#5.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST
Susan-649485

Just exactly what does the statement you just made mean?

What is it about conservatives that they don't understand the Constitution? This article is the equivalent of Palin proclaiming that the Vice President runs the senate.

Have you all never heard of the checks and balances inherent in our three branches of government?

The president of the United States does not run congress.

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST
owlsview

In theory you are right Susan. In practice you are way out of touch. Both parties are much more concerned about obtaining and maintaining power than they are about leading this country and solving our problems.

To establish and maintain the level of power that the Parties desire requires a strong organization that maintains discipline up and down the line. It is the job of leader of the Party, for the Democrats at this time President Obama, to let his subordinates know what the goal is so that they can use their relative positions to obtain that goal. He must let them know what is negotiable and what isn't. It can be said that Obama did this, but there is something very important that he didn't do. He failed to inform them on the parameters of negotiations. Obama said that taxes were negotiable but never how negotiable. He put spending cuts for certain programs on the table, but never let it be known how much he would consider allowable.

Is it any wonder many of his advisers, staff members and Democrats holding office have distanced themselves from him? How hard must it be to work for someone who doesn't give you all of the tools that you need to do the job? Me, I'd quit before I started.

The checks and balances contained in our Constitution are for the purpose of preventing any one branch of government to dominate the other two. There are no decrees what so ever that protect us from the frailties of human nature or the ambitions and machinations of those who seek power singularly or in group form.

The Constitution was not intended to be a document for those who refuse to face the realities of human behavior to hide behind.

The Vice President of the United States is the President of the Senate. He is a non-voting member unless a vote of the Senate ends in a tie, in which case the Vice President casts the deciding vote. The Constitution understands that the Vice President will not always be available and provides for a President pro tempore (literally, a temporary president). Like the House, the Senate leadership also consists of Majority and Minority Leaders and Whips. In the Senate, the whips are officially known as the Assistant Leader.-----http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_govt.html

Susan, perhaps you should redirect your first question away from the conservatives and towards yourself.

  • 3 votes
#5.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:58 PM EST
Susan-649485

In practice you are way out of touch. Both parties are much more concerned about obtaining and maintaining power than they are about leading this country and solving our problems.

It certainly sounds like you are describing the Republican Party to a T.

Not so much the Democrats.

LOL

Sarah's actual quote:

Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”

PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.

No, I'm pretty sure it's the conservatives who need to brush up on the Constitution.

  • 3 votes
#5.6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:16 PM EST
owlsview

Susan, what part of her answer is wrong?

I have no particular liking for Palin. The Republicans robbed her of any potential she may have had to be a successful President by having her run with McCain, she was nowhere near ready.That doesn't mean that she is wrong about everything.

Ron Paul is running for President, I would much rather see him as Vice-President. For far to long our Vice-Presidents have assumed the role of the guy sitting in the wings. He is supposed to say what he is told to say when told to say it. Most of them tour the country, making appearances in the name of the President. In essence he is on the party circuit, the booze and b.s circuit.

So many have become Vice-Presidents over the last several years thanks to bargaining, trading of delegates, back room deals, quite often the Vice-President doesn't have much in common with the President. Mistrust develops. Instead of doing his job as the second in command of this great country he stays in the shadows.

We need a guy that is going to do his job. A person that will get out there and work with Senators from both sides. Keep their collective noses to the grindstone. See to it that bills get voted on . Policy changes get made. We need a Vice-President who will fulfill the duty of holding the second highest office in the country. This is the type of change we need in government. The type easily overlooked. That type that goes to the very core of how we need our government to operate.

  • 2 votes
#5.7 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:03 PM EST
Reply
baddestbob

an owl cannot move its eyes. to compensate for this it can turn its head 270 degrees. that leaves 90 degrees which is also the number of degrees in a right angle. that pretty much sums it up.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:49 AM EST
owlsview

My aren't you the clever one. Shame you are just another leftie making a false yet somewhat clever assumption as to the nature of my politics.

  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST
Reply
clarke ong

Your article is a waste of time.

Republicans can't beat Obama (oh, its Barack by the way)

Learn how to spell, or learn your presidents name.

  • 11 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:53 AM EST
owlsview

Oh my a spelling error and another grammar cop. Certainly not on topic.

  • 8 votes
#7.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:24 PM EST
John Bayner

Who writes this crap anyway.

  • 3 votes
#7.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:03 PM EST
owlsview

I do.

  • 3 votes
#7.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:33 PM EST
Reply
SuperSaiyan

Well, I find the notion that President Obama is being blamed for something that Congress has failed to do to be more than a little misguided as well as an instance of projection...

  • 14 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:54 AM EST
owlsview

You are certainly entitled to voice an opposing opinion. I appreciate the fact that you at least are on topic.

  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:25 PM EST
Reply
bob-1478320

since his ascension to the throne,Obama's biggest failure is the failure to lead

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:58 AM EST
owlsview

It takes both knowledge and charisma to lead a nation as diverse as this. He is short on the first and is beginning to wear thin on the other.

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:28 PM EST
John Bayner

bob, did you just fall off the turnip truck. Obama and the executive branch of Government is the only one trying to help the American people. The Supreme court is a miserable failure with that citizens united bull@!$%# ruling. The Legislative branch (Congress) is being hijacked by Grover Norquist and his collection of wimps who need to grow a pair and tell him to take his pledge and shove it up his ass. Republican Senators filibustering just about anything. Boehner needs to get more courage in a bottle and tell his @!$%# caucus to get with the program.

  • 5 votes
#9.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:08 PM EST
owlsview

John, Boehner is Speaker of the House not a member of the Senate.

    #9.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST
    John Bayner

    I know owl, however he is a member of Congress, sorry I wasn't clear about that. I said: Boehner needs to get more courage in a bottle and tell his @!$%# caucus to get with the program.

    That was a shot at the do nothing Tea party controlled house.

    • 4 votes
    #9.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:51 PM EST
    owlsview

    Easy to get the players confused, happens to me quite often.

    • 2 votes
    #9.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:00 PM EST
    Reply
    DBE928

    I think you hit the nail on the head: "He does not know enough to formulate qualified answers." Obama is the most incompetent, isolated, ideological Democratic President ever. He may have good intentions but he has no relevant experience, and has not learned on the job.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:16 PM EST
    owlsview

    Precisely.

    • 5 votes
    #10.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:29 PM EST
    Patriot 8888

    I guess he is not as quick a study as he initially led us to believe.

    It was quite a stretch to go from community organizer to leader of the free world.

    • 5 votes
    #10.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:06 PM EST
    John Bayner

    It's hard to get things done when you have to deal with the party of NO compromise.

    • 9 votes
    #10.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:10 PM EST
    owlsview

    It is even harder when you don't know what your are doing.

    • 4 votes
    #10.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:36 PM EST
    John Bayner

    Owl, learn when to use your and you're you seemed to try and combine the two.

    you're or you are would have been correct, your are doesn't make any sense.

    I'm just busting your chops, I don't nit pick with spelling and minor grammatical errors.

    • 3 votes
    #10.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:56 PM EST
    owlsview

    LOL, so you don't do what you just did. I like that. I have a particularly bad habit of thinking faster than I type and typing faster than I can.

    Thanks for the bust in the chops, I need one every now and then.

    • 2 votes
    #10.6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:04 PM EST
    Reply
    TheyreAllCrooks

    What's with mis-spelling the presidents name? Do you really expect people are going to take you seriously, when you don't even have enough respect to spell his name properly?

    • 9 votes
    Reply#11 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST
    owlsview

    Oh my, another spell-cop. So sorry, a q without a u challenges my feeble abilities. Plus though I respect the office of the Presidency, the fact is I lost all respect for the man I voted for when he proved himself to me that he is a liar.

    I would prefer that the people who I want to listen to me would be capable of recognizing human error when they see it and judge my opinions based on content rather than my lack of grammatical expertise.

    • 5 votes
    #11.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:39 PM EST
    clarke ong

    My opinion is that yours has no content.

    • 13 votes
    #11.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST
    John Bayner

    You don't need spell check owl, you need fact check, because you failed miserably with that

    • 5 votes
    #11.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:11 PM EST
    TheyreAllCrooks

    Baraq? His name is Barack.

    And I completely disagree with your opinions.

    • 2 votes
    #11.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM EST
    owlsview

    Disagree, voted up. Disagree voted up. Disagree voted up.

    Barack Barack Barack Barack Barack, just practicing, Ill get it right next time.

    Now let's see if I can find somebody to vote up who agrees with me.

    • 4 votes
    #11.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST
    Reply
    DoctorNorm

    Fact #1: Every independent economist agrees that the deficit can not be solved by cuts alone; there must be an increase in revenue.

    Fact #2: Every Republican on the super-committee has signed a pledge that no taxes can be raised under any circumstances while every Democrat on that committee agrees with the economists that there has to be an increase in revenue.

    Conclusion: The super-committee is incapable of solving the deficit problem because of that Norquist (you know, some random guy) pledge.

    Conclusion #2: Since it was Congress that created this super-committee and since it is Congress' job to create a budget, it is Pelosi's, Boehner's, McConnell's and Reid's job to get the job done. But the Democrats are willing to go with a balanced approach. Boehner and McConnell are not doing their jobs.

    So I just don't understand why this is all Obama's fault, unless of course you want to blame Obama for everything, including the collapse of the economy.

    • 13 votes
    Reply#12 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:50 PM EST
    Patriot 8888

    Fact #1: Every independent economist agrees that the deficit can not be solved by cuts alone; there must be an increase in revenue.

    Well, let's just try the cuts first and see the revenue result.

    Fact #2: Every Republican on the super-committee has signed a pledge that no taxes can be raised under any circumstances while every Democrat on that committee agrees with the economists that there has to be an increase in revenue.

    See Fact#1.

    Conclusion: Obama is a feeble leader and will not even convince his own party to take a chance.

    What's he afraid of? Results? The GOP just might be correct?

    ROFLMAO

    • 7 votes
    #12.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:09 PM EST
    clarke ong

    Dude, you are in the middle of G.O.P results RIGHT NOW.

    you funny guy.

    • 8 votes
    #12.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:38 PM EST
    DoctorNorm

    "Patriot":

    Your first point doesn't even begin to refute what I refer to as Fact #1. And if you want to believe that by slashing the budget you will magically increase revenue, then bless your cotton-pickin' little heart. Saying "See Fact #1" doesn't exactly counteract Fact #2.

    And your conclusion, therefore, is not based on a single fact. Good luck with that.

    • 3 votes
    #12.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:16 PM EST
    owlsview

    Clarke, you say that we are in the middle of G.O.P. results right now. Three year of Obama being President. Two years of Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress. Three years of majority control in the Senate. The Republicans have had the majority in the House for one year.

    No we are not in the midst of G.O.P. results, we are in the middle of the Democratic Party's inability to get results.

    Do you actually believe that the Republicans are so strong that even with a decided minority they are running everything and responsible for all of it? We might as well save a lot of money and aggravation and cancel the elections. According to your logic the reults don't matter, the Republicans are going to be running things anyway.

    • 4 votes
    #12.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:52 PM EST
    DoctorNorm

    No,the Republicans are not running everything, but they're blocking everything. They have that power, they use it and they're destroying our country.

    • 2 votes
    #12.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:41 AM EST
    katlin

    the middle of GOP results ? not really dems had control of congress for the last 2 yrs of bush and 2 yrs of obama--repubs only took control of house in the last yr and dems still have senate so the dems have had control for the last 5 yrs and look what the result has been...record debt and depression......you’d have to be crazy to vote for more of that..vote dem out !!

    • 4 votes
    #12.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:46 AM EST
    Reply
    Live and let live please

    Well, say what you like about Obama, seeing as how all the Republicans who are running against him are bigoted, it would take quite a bit to convince me that we would be better off under them.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#13 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:02 PM EST
    Castor Bridge

    Obama has always voted present. Remember Harry Truman's sign on his desk that read "the buck stops here." Whether you liked or disliked Truman you had to respect him as a leader. Obama is a bad joke that was "sold" to the American people like a product on a telecommercial. If he truly cared about the country he would step aside and not run for a second term. He doesn't care so he will run for re-election. If you have children, pray that he doesn't win.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#14 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:58 PM EST
    John Bayner

    If you have children, pray that he doesn't win.

    That should work, start praying everyone so we can have Newt Gingrich or Mittens as our leader.

    Oh wait are you saying we should be praying to the anti-Christ.

    • 5 votes
    #14.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:16 PM EST
    owlsview

    Sigh, what's a moderator to do. Childish statements, name calling nothing really breaking the COH but nonsense none the less. Don't any of you ever get tired of being a mirror image of the way our government and politicians act? You know, the ones whose actions we like to complain about.

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    #14.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:00 PM EST
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    baddestbob

    a moderator is there to maintain civility. having been called a clever one by none other than the wise ol' owl, i waited a spell (thanks, clark) to comment further. not that i give a hoot, mr. owl, but your post is nothing more than the same ol' same ol' posted by wright(combination of white and right) wing zealots. what was really bad was the self congradulatory nature of your post. you ain't said nuthin' that some redneck southern pol hasn't said before.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#15 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:50 PM EST
    CL1

    I seriously agree with all of your thoughts about Obama and the other changes (eg,Congresspersons), owls. Along the same line, I wonder if it is possible to have a 'just and ethical' Congress, no matter who is there. Bribery will always happen. I don't know how to change the system or what the major change should be. 'Checks' at the state level would seem obvious, yet, corruption and 'self-interest' would still exist. The Founder's Check and balance, is a great idea; however, as another once pointed out, we have never experienced 'balance' - because it's impossible. So, we need the 'sides' to keep us pulling and tugging, pulling and tugging in an endless effort to reach areas of balance.. futile, but a necessary attempt as a means to an end that was supposed to benefit the majority of the people that reside in 'states.' So, it always goes back to the people, as the ultimate 'checkers.' We just need to find someone that wants to represent us, if it's possible for anyone to do so.

    As for Emanuel..

    Emanuel is known for his "take-no-prisoners style" that has earned him the nickname "Rahmbo."[27] Emanuel is said to have sent a dead fish in a box to a pollster who was late delivering polling results.[23] On the night after the 1996 election, "Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting 'Dead! ... Dead! ... Dead!' and plunging the knife into the table after every name."[11][12] Before Tony Blair gave a pro-Clinton speech during the impeachment crisis, Emanuel reportedly screamed to Blair's face "Don't @!$%# this up!" while Clinton was present; Blair and Clinton both burst into laughter.[28] However, by 2007 friends of Emanuel were saying that he has "mellowed out".[22] Stories of his personal style have entered the popular culture, inspiring articles and websites that chronicle these and other quotes and incidents.[29][30][31][32] Though executive producer Lawrence O'Donnell has denied it,[33] the character Josh Lyman in The West Wing is said to be based on Rahm Emanuel.[12][34]

    That sure isn't the persona of who I would want attempting to represent us.. we're not where his 'heart' lies. (verbally... perhaps; physically...no)

    On an ending note... soooo right-on-the-money that "never shall we all play by the same rules." :)

    • 5 votes
    Reply#16 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:52 PM EST
    baddestbob

    cl1,

    while you're at it, how bout a mention of lee atwater or karl rove? each side has its own army of political assassins.

    • 2 votes
    #16.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:05 PM EST
    katlin

    emanuel doesn’t belong in the human race much less in any political office--those poor slobs in chicago love their gangsta’s...

    I always thought the name “dead fish” came from those dead fish eyes of his...

    • 3 votes
    #16.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:59 AM EST
    owlsview

    Katlin, I kind of agree with you. We need to be prepared for this guy, but we also need to be prudent about making sure of the truth contained in some of these stories. CL1, your links are good, but two things, save your ammo for when it will be most effective and the second, well, guess I am having a Perry moment, worse, I can't get to two. :)

    • 3 votes
    #16.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:36 AM EST
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    owlsview

    Baddestbob, many of you who support Barack Obama seem to think that your battle to get him re-elected is with the Republicans and you are mistaken. Obama's future lies in the hands of the moderates and independents, those with a more centralized outlook on our country. We don't need a playlist of who the bad guys are from both parties we are already aware of the fallacies of the Republican Party.

    We put up with eight years of the GOP agenda, Bush wasn't such a bad guy, but he ran a stilted and plodding administration,expenditures on numerous wars were having a serious effect on our economy, the antics of people like Cheney and Rove was angering us. We wanted change and wanted it badly. No personal offense to McCain but four years of a Republican favorite son who got the nomination as a reward for his years of service(same thing they did for Goldwater), was not what we needed or wanted.

    Along came Obama, young, vibrant, a fresh outlook, a new approach. We can survive the impending housing crash, we can save people from losing there homes to foreclosure, we can save our jobs and restore jobs to those who have the ones they had. We can put forth a healthcare plan that is fair and equal to all. We can reduce our dependency on foreign oil. We can save our schools, we can change the way government behaves.

    We can! We can! We can! --We haven't, we aren't and we will not with the administration we have had for the last three years. The only change I have seen in the behavior of government has been from bad to very bad. We took a chance, Hilary would have been a shoo-in, but you gave us Obama a real change from old school politics. We loved him, we gave him a very respectable victory. A year later we were regretting it. All hope and no substance. Bankers getting richer, houses getting emptier.

    Why should we give the Obama administration another chance? Is there a magic potion that will will bequeath upon him the knowledge, strength and "integrity" that we want in a President? It would be imprudent to let a mistake stand while dealing with other matters. We would be much better served, to remove Obama from office, replace him with a caretaker President even if it is another stuffed-shirt Republican and focus on making as many changes in faces of the people serving in the Legislative Branch as we can.

    No one President is going to ever have enough power to make major changes on his own for good or bad. Future Presidents and other elected officials are going to be scrutinized more intensely than any other government in the history of the world has ever been. That is the only way we the people can be assured of remaining "Free Americans".

    Save the left-wing jive for your fight with the Republicans. Do you think that you are going to convince me that the "leadership" and "extremists" of both parties are not the real enemies of American Freedom? I'd be a happier American if you could.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#17 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:44 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    Two Question if I may? for the sake of conversation.

    1. What would it be like if we had a third party strong enough to upset the two party loggerhead?
    2. OR, a requirement that Presidents be elected on their qualifications and not a pretty face popularity contest for who can promise us everything our hearts desire?

    1.)Neither the democrats nor republicans would have a majority to throw their weight around and stuff laws and regulations down the publics throat. Any legislation would have to be sound enough for a coalition to agree. Pork would be more equal and maybe eliminate "bridges to nowhere" and studies like the sex life of brazilian frogs.

    2.)The President is the head of the administration of government. What are their managerial skills? Are they qualified to head the largest employer in the Country like a CEO of GM or Boeing? Not many have.

    Most couldn't operate a popsicle stand efficient enough keep it in business without advisors from the party to direct him. Pres. Carter was a successful peanut farmer before he got into politics and he didn't last long or do much.

    President Obama had no qualifications. He was an organizer of ethnic groups to protest inequities,
    real or imagined, and hung out with a racist Rev. for twenty years in Chicago. Influenced by Alinski in College. Elected to the Senate and almost immediately began a year later to run for President. The only thing he did in the Senate was vote the Party line. In interviews as a candidate for the Senate, he told everyone he was a progressive liberal.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#18 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:19 PM EST
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